wine vs wineX; or another app to port win progs?
Hi, What is the difference between wine and wineX? Is wineX /just/ for games, or can it do applications also? Because it looks like it has better support for games then wine, but I haven't seen anything as to applications that is supports. Is it possible to run both at the same time (wineX for my games, and wine for applications?) I only have one (of several) computers left that still runs windows, but I need it for several programs and, of course, games. I am chained to windows because I have programs such as: dreamweaverUltraDev4, flash5, visualStudio.net, photoshop6, and bryce5. I know most of these have a somewhat comparable cousin in Linux, but I have come accustom to these particular ones, and don't want to have to relearn new apps (or re-purchase their equivalents). Plus, some are going to have serious issues being ported over (like .net). Also, I need a gaming computer, so I need something that can run games pretty well, too. What is an inexpensive way to do this if Wine or WineX is not the way to go? I looked at VMWare, but almost 300 dollars is a little much with its current limitations, and no upgrade insurance. Hardware requirements (i.e. extra ram, hdd space, cpu power, etc.) are not an issue. thanks, jeric
Hi, Wine and WineX are very similar, although Wine is specifically aimed at applications and WineX is spefically aimed at Games. WineX -- provides wrappers for the DirectX components and therefore allows DirectX games to run. Wine -- provides wrappers for the more standard Windows components. I haven't tried it myself, but you could probably run Apps under WineX, but I prefer to run both Wine and WineX where neccessary for their individual purposes. Regards Q On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 23:24, Jeric wrote:
Hi, What is the difference between wine and wineX? Is wineX /just/ for games, or can it do applications also? Because it looks like it has better support for games then wine, but I haven't seen anything as to applications that is supports. Is it possible to run both at the same time (wineX for my games, and wine for applications?)
I only have one (of several) computers left that still runs windows, but I need it for several programs and, of course, games. I am chained to windows because I have programs such as: dreamweaverUltraDev4, flash5, visualStudio.net, photoshop6, and bryce5. I know most of these have a somewhat comparable cousin in Linux, but I have come accustom to these particular ones, and don't want to have to relearn new apps (or re-purchase their equivalents). Plus, some are going to have serious issues being ported over (like .net). Also, I need a gaming computer, so I need something that can run games pretty well, too.
What is an inexpensive way to do this if Wine or WineX is not the way to go? I looked at VMWare, but almost 300 dollars is a little much with its current limitations, and no upgrade insurance. Hardware requirements (i.e. extra ram, hdd space, cpu power, etc.) are not an issue.
thanks, jeric
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True enough. However, I have found that using the OpenGL cvs from the Winehq performs better than WineX, at least in my experience (hence why a cancelled my subscription to transgaming). Before applying the OpenGL patch from the cvs to Wine the Transgaming WineX seemed better, though my experience was far from what I had hoped. Once the I applied the cvs OpenGL patch to my Wine prog I had "much" better luck getting games to work. Granted, your mileage may vary, but IMHO the present state of development with Wine and OpenGL is coming along a little better than that of Transgaming. Also, support in WineX is gear toward gaming. There are more howto's and support groups for Wine and if it's programs other than games you want to run your best bet is with Wine. Just MHO, Curtis :) Quinton Delpeche wrote:
Hi,
Wine and WineX are very similar, although Wine is specifically aimed at applications and WineX is spefically aimed at Games.
WineX -- provides wrappers for the DirectX components and therefore allows DirectX games to run.
Wine -- provides wrappers for the more standard Windows components.
I haven't tried it myself, but you could probably run Apps under WineX, but I prefer to run both Wine and WineX where neccessary for their individual purposes.
Regards Q
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 23:24, Jeric wrote:
Hi, What is the difference between wine and wineX? Is wineX /just/ for games, or can it do applications also? Because it looks like it has better support for games then wine, but I haven't seen anything as to applications that is supports. Is it possible to run both at the same time (wineX for my games, and wine for applications?)
I only have one (of several) computers left that still runs windows, but I need it for several programs and, of course, games. I am chained to windows because I have programs such as: dreamweaverUltraDev4, flash5, visualStudio.net, photoshop6, and bryce5. I know most of these have a somewhat comparable cousin in Linux, but I have come accustom to these particular ones, and don't want to have to relearn new apps (or re-purchase their equivalents). Plus, some are going to have serious issues being ported over (like .net). Also, I need a gaming computer, so I need something that can run games pretty well, too.
What is an inexpensive way to do this if Wine or WineX is not the way to go? I looked at VMWare, but almost 300 dollars is a little much with its current limitations, and no upgrade insurance. Hardware requirements (i.e. extra ram, hdd space, cpu power, etc.) are not an issue.
thanks, jeric
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::Granted, your mileage may vary... And all this talk means companies won't make native Linux optimized games. If they can make these games run on the BSD based OSX. I really don't see why they can't do it for Linux. I mean by the last count there are more desktop users of Linux then OSX. And most people dual boot or keep a Wintendo box around just for games and the occasional app. When did we stop fighting for it..when Loki's a**hole CEO ran them into the ground..is that when we gave up? I mean JC at id said they are developing Doom3 on Linux and it will run best on Linux but still have ports to OSX and Windows. If it's so good because of the direct hardware access Linux gives..then something else must be wrong. They must have the idea Linux games won't sell. It's really quite sad. RH and others talk about taking Linux to the desktop...well without games I would say a great many desktops will either stay Windows or dual booted. :/ -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 08:33, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
::Granted, your mileage may vary...
And all this talk means companies won't make native Linux optimized games. If they can make these games run on the BSD based OSX. I really don't see why they can't do it for Linux. I mean by the last count there are more desktop users of Linux then OSX. And most people dual boot or keep a Wintendo box around just for games and the occasional app. When did we stop fighting for it..when Loki's a**hole CEO ran them into the ground..is that when we gave up? I mean JC at id said they are developing Doom3 on Linux and it will run best on Linux but still have ports to OSX and Windows. If it's so good because of the direct hardware access Linux gives..then something else must be wrong. They must have the idea Linux games won't sell. It's really quite sad. RH and others talk about taking Linux to the desktop...well without games I would say a great many desktops will either stay Windows or dual booted. :/
Well... if we all make a point of asking (nicely) the game developers to provide a Linux port/version for our favorite upcoming games they will eventually get the hint... I hope. There are a lot of Linux users on the planet.. and lots of us like to relax with a little alien monster bashing now and then. I always make a point of posting a question to the game developers about a Linux version. What I find ironically amusing is often you go read the FAQ for a certain game/company, and near the top of the list is the question "Will there be a Linux version of the game?" And then the well thought out answer that goes something like this... "No, now will everyone quit asking for it." In the meantime, after I have searched for the Linux port of the game I want to play, and after I have made a point of asking the developer for a Linux version if one isn't planned or doesn't exist, I still would like to play the game. The result - I find a way to do it either through a dual boot (the only reason I have Windows on my computer) or via WineX. Oh, and by the way, id Software has been supporting Linux quite nicely all along. Wolfenstein is available for Linux, Quake3 etc., and John Carmak has been quoted as saying that Doom III will be available for Linux. One interesting statement he made was that he hoped that their support for Linux would encourage other game manufacturers to follow along. We are getting there... slowly.... C.
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 08.33, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
And all this talk means companies won't make native Linux optimized games.
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well without games I would say a great many desktops will either stay Windows or dual booted. :/
This, I believe, is what is known as a catch 22. I personally believe wine is A Good Thing, for exactly this reason. Without desktop linux users game developers won't develop for linux, and without games running on linux, people won't switch to linux. Enter wine, which hopefully one day in the future will be able to run windows games as easily as under windows. People will, after a few trials, dare to take the plunge, and the number of desktop linux users will rise, prompting a few companies to use portable libraries to develop native linux versions, while others will rely on wine. Eventually, there will be more and more native versions, until we reach the fabled critical mass. I think it'll be alright in the end //Anders
How about Sony making a $100 PCI card for Linux (not for Windows) that fits right into one of your slots and let you play PS2 games!! Can this technically be done? People instead of paying for a kick-ass 3D graphics accelerator can buy a cheap 3D accelerator and put the $$$ in the "PlayStation2 for Linux card". The card should have built in acceleration and should be fully PS2 compatible. Salman
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 08:33, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
::Granted, your mileage may vary...
And all this talk means companies won't make native Linux optimized games. If they can make these games run on the BSD based OSX. I really don't see why they can't do it for Linux. I mean by the last count there are more desktop users of Linux then OSX. And most people dual boot or keep a Wintendo box around just for games and the occasional app. When did we stop fighting for it..when Loki's a**hole CEO ran them into the ground..is that when we gave up? I mean JC at id said they are developing Doom3 on Linux and it will run best on Linux but still have ports to OSX and Windows. If it's so good because of the direct hardware access Linux gives..then something else must be wrong. They must have the idea Linux games won't sell. It's really quite sad. RH and others talk about taking Linux to the desktop...well without games I would say a great many desktops will either stay Windows or dual booted. :/
I'd have to agree with this. But it's not just games. I'm not a gamer, never have been interested or good enough to play them. But if the Game writing folks start putting out games on linux, then perhaps the rest of the desktop program writing folks will follow. I've finally rid my system of that dual boot business. Why? I found out that StarOffice 6 will read the excel and .doc files quite nicely so I don't need it anymore. My on-line banking works nicely with most any browser I choose to use. I can play my mp3's and watch my DVD's.. Now if I could just get my wife to stop using windows, and give this a try, I'd be a happy camper.. ;-) Mike -- Powered by SuSE 8.0 Kernel 2.4.18 KDE 3.0.2 Kmail 1.4.2 For a great linux portal try http://www.freezer-burn.org For SuSE Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://home.t-online.de/~jroark 5:39pm up 6 min, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.09, 0.05
It's all a matter of demand. If the software companies see a market in the Linux space, they will port their apps to Linux. Another way apps get ported is if a vendor pays then to do so. This is true in the commercial Unix marketplace, and I assume that Apple induces vendors to make applications available. -- Jerry Feldman Enterprise Systems Group Hewlett-Packard Company 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/
Here is my imput. The areas I draw my arguments from lay in working for a software developer, and being a beta tester for Corel Draw for linux. It's real simple Wine in essence is all the windows class files. All yoru DLL's in doing so it makes it easier to port existing software over instead of writing it from scratch. This being much cheaper and time consuming. The bad side to this is with linux having to support gnome, kde, qt and wine libraries it's getting two bulky and in so doing too unstable. I think for me what I like is linux is customizable allowing you to only install what you need. As for it being a general purpose desktop I dont see that happening. I think it would be excellent in graphic firms running Adobe ( which has been ported to Unix), cad based firms running some version of Microstation ( already based on Unix.), and also general Office with the help of apps such as Star office. Rowan Reid Job Captain, Systems Administrator STUDIO 3 ARCHITECTS 909 982 1717
* Jerry Feldman (gerald.feldman@hp.com) [020903 08:54]: ::It's all a matter of demand. If the software companies see a market in the ::Linux space, they will port their apps to Linux. ::Another way apps get ported is if a vendor pays then to do so. This is true ::in the commercial Unix marketplace, and I assume that Apple induces vendors ::to make applications available. I'm not digging on you Jerry, but I use to hear this all the time when it was OS/2 in place of Linux. In reality the ISV's just felt that it wasn't worth it to port Windows software to OS/2 because OS/2 had the Windows emulation layer. They figured why port it to a native app when it will run in emulation. And ya know what..it never got done and then MS strongarmed the other guerilla and IBM pretty much flushed OS/2. I realize that MS can't pressure any Linux company.. But the whole situation feels very simular to me. *shrug* My point is that if OSX can have native apps and games, so can Linux. I don't like being though of as a person who " won't pay for software..must have the src code or I won't use it..etc..etc." I don't want the src to some monolithic 3D shooter...what the hell would I do with it. But I would really like these games and the like. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Actually, you make a very good point. While I was not on the mainstream Alpha/NT project, I did cowrite the assembler on Windows NT (which is now running on Tru64 Unix). We had a very good emulator (FX/32) which would dyamically emulate an Intel box and actually translate the application. Many vendors simply did not do the port from Intel to Alpha, and this was the same OS. Games are one area that really need to be native for performance reasons. Word Perfect, for instance, now uses WINE, not just the WINE libraries. Some apps are natively built, but they also use the WINE libraries. On 3 Sep 2002 at 10:26, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
I'm not digging on you Jerry, but I use to hear this all the time when it was OS/2 in place of Linux. In reality the ISV's just felt that it wasn't worth it to port Windows software to OS/2 because OS/2 had the Windows emulation layer. They figured why port it to a native app when it will run in emulation. And ya know what..it never got done and then MS strongarmed the other guerilla and IBM pretty much flushed OS/2. I realize that MS can't pressure any Linux company.. But the whole situation feels very simular to me. *shrug* My point is that if OSX can have native apps and games, so can Linux. I don't like being though of as a person who " won't pay for software..must have the src code or I won't use it..etc..etc." I don't want the src to some monolithic 3D shooter...what the hell would I do with it. But I would really like these games and the like. :) --
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On Tuesday 03 September 2002 19.45, Jerry Feldman wrote:
Games are one area that really need to be native for performance reasons.
That's debatable. The games that actually run at all under wine run very well. Counter-strike, for instance. I can't see any performance problems with that. There are still bugs in wine of course, but once they have been worked out I can't see any reason why the games shouldn't be able to run at native speeds. The alpha probably needs on-the-fly machine language translation as well, which would cause slowdowns, but for linux on x86 I really don't see any performance issues //Anders
The Alpha certainly needed code translation. That's why FX/32 also partially translated the application. Some applications ran reasonably well. The problem was that vendors didn't feel they had to produce and support native apps. The same is true for Linux. I don't have many games, so I have not tried them first hand. On 3 Sep 2002 at 19:51, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 19.45, Jerry Feldman wrote:
Games are one area that really need to be native for performance reasons.
That's debatable. The games that actually run at all under wine run very well. Counter-strike, for instance. I can't see any performance problems with that. There are still bugs in wine of course, but once they have been worked out I can't see any reason why the games shouldn't be able to run at native speeds. The alpha probably needs on-the-fly machine language translation as well, which would cause slowdowns, but for linux on x86 I really don't see any performance issues
//Anders
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On Tuesday 03 September 2002 4:45 pm, Mike wrote: <SNIP>
Now if I could just get my wife to stop using windows, and give this a try, I'd be a happy camper.. ;-)
How about doing what I did - I just stopped supporting Windoze. When it fell over I said "Fix it yourself or use this instead" Worked a charm. -- Dylan dylan@dylan.me.uk HTML mail will be rejected
Dylan wrote:
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 4:45 pm, Mike wrote: <SNIP>
Now if I could just get my wife to stop using windows, and give this a try, I'd be a happy camper.. ;-)
How about doing what I did - I just stopped supporting Windoze. When it fell over I said "Fix it yourself or use this instead" Worked a charm.
Are you kidding? Are you married? You might be used to dealing with computers and logic but I believe that if you are married then you would understand that logic doesn't apply. Damon Register
On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:44:57 -0400
Damon Register
Now if I could just get my wife to stop using windows, and give this a try, I'd be a happy camper.. ;-)
How about doing what I did - I just stopped supporting Windoze. When it fell over I said "Fix it yourself or use this instead" Worked a charm.
Are you kidding? Are you married? You might be used to dealing with computers and logic but I believe that if you are married then you would understand that logic doesn't apply.
You can always plead ignorance, "Sorry honey, I switched to Linux because I just can't understand Windows. I sure wish I could help, but my feeble male brain can't comprehend the wonders of Microsoft." ;-) Of course , it won't work if she reads your email. :-) -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
* zentara (zentara@zentara.net) [020903 12:49]: ::Linux because I just can't understand Windows. I sure wish I could ::help, but my feeble male brain can't comprehend the wonders of ::Microsoft." ;-) :: ::Of course , it won't work if she reads your email. :-) My wife has her Mac running OSX. I just get really cranky having to deal with Apples screwed up Unix as I put it to her. She tends to RTFM before she comes at me with something silly. That way she figures out 99% of her problems and I never hear about them. :) Only thing I've done on her machine in the last couple years was write an ipfilter rules set for her. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 7:44 pm, Damon Register wrote:
Dylan wrote:
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 4:45 pm, Mike wrote: <SNIP>
Now if I could just get my wife to stop using windows, and give this a try, I'd be a happy camper.. ;-)
How about doing what I did - I just stopped supporting Windoze. When it fell over I said "Fix it yourself or use this instead" Worked a charm.
Are you kidding? Are you married? You might be used to dealing with computers and logic but I believe that if you are married then you would understand that logic doesn't apply.
Er, No, Yes. I put up with the grumps and pouting until she decided to knickle down and realise Linux was as easy to use as Windoze - when someone else (me) sets it up. -- Dylan dylan@dylan.me.uk HTML mail will be rejected
Er, No, Yes. I put up with the grumps and pouting until she decided to knickle down and realise Linux was as easy to use as Windoze - when someone else (me) sets it up.
And it is the setting up part that is preventing a large group of people to switch over to Linux. Even Microsoft Windows works like a charm if someone sets it up and never messes with the registry and all. We bought an HP PSC 950 printer recently. Total time to get it up and running on Windows ME was about 15 minutes---just put the CD in, reboot, and up its running. Having a degree in Aerospace Engineering with a GPA of 3.93/4.0 and 5 years of software development experience, and about 6 months of leisure time Linux experience, it took me a couple of hours trying to get it working. Made several failed attempts using YAST2's Autodetect Printers module. Remember that HP is supporting the Open Source driver development for this product. If things continue to be the same, I hate to say this but Linux will still remain the choice for computer geeks (like me) Salman
* Salman Khilji (skhilji@tampabay.rr.com) [020903 18:20]: :: ::We bought an HP PSC 950 printer recently. Total time to get it up and running ::on Windows ME was about 15 minutes---just put the CD in, reboot, and up its ::running. :: Well, I just fired up Konqueror and went to http://localhost:631/admin which is the address of the cups server and they have a driver for the 900 series...is this not the same driver? -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Actually I used lprng. Will give CUPS a try sometimes and see how it goes. Is CUPS better in any way? I used the FOOMATIC driver and setup. Salman
Well, I just fired up Konqueror and went to http://localhost:631/admin which is the address of the cups server and they have a driver for the 900 series...is this not the same driver?
On Wednesday 04 September 2002 7:20 am, Salman Khilji wrote:
Actually I used lprng. Will give CUPS a try sometimes and see how it goes. Is CUPS better in any way? I used the FOOMATIC driver and setup.
In my view CUPS knocks the pants off whatever used to be used on *nix - I wouldn't know, because I never managed to get a printer working in Linux until they included CUPS in SuSE. The new KPrinter app by Marcel Goffioul rounds the whole thing off - for the first time it's almost as simple as Windows; not quite, but almost. Kevin
Salman Khilji wrote:
If things continue to be the same, I hate to say this but Linux will still remain the choice for computer geeks (like me)
Salman
Hmm, I'm a nerd, not a geek. can I still play? -=-=- ... Jesus Saves -- passes to Moses, shoots, SCORES! Http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad
Salman Khilji wrote:
NO!! Go play with Bill Gates!
Hmm, I'm a nerd, not a geek. can I still play?
Meanie. he doesn't play nice, takes away my toys ;-) -=-=- ... OK, I'm weird! But I'm saving up to become eccentric. Http://tigger.tmcom.com/~josad
WARNING WARNING WARNING: Anyone who follows this "advice" may find himself sleeping on the couch. Salman
How about doing what I did - I just stopped supporting Windoze. When it fell over I said "Fix it yourself or use this instead" Worked a charm.
* Salman Khilji (skhilji@tampabay.rr.com) [020903 17:53]: ::WARNING WARNING WARNING: :: ::Anyone who follows this "advice" may find himself sleeping on the couch. And for some of us this isn't a bad thing...no "Roll over your snoring". :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 15:09, Dylan wrote:
On Tuesday 03 September 2002 4:45 pm, Mike wrote: <SNIP>
Now if I could just get my wife to stop using windows, and give this a try, I'd be a happy camper.. ;-)
How about doing what I did - I just stopped supporting Windoze. When it fell over I said "Fix it yourself or use this instead" Worked a charm.
I just switched, I was running NT so I just set up her account the same way on linux and she didn't notice the difference. She thought I put in new wallpaper. One day when I was back in NT to move some files over she actually shut NT down to go back to linux.
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 06:13:22AM +0200, Quinton Delpeche wrote:
Hi,
Wine and WineX are very similar, although Wine is specifically aimed at applications and WineX is spefically aimed at Games.
WineX -- provides wrappers for the DirectX components and therefore allows DirectX games to run.
Wine -- provides wrappers for the more standard Windows components.
Wine also implements DirectX (in fact DirectX was started way before winex times), just not to the completeness winex has. Ciao, Marcus
On Monday 02 September 2002 23:24, Jeric wrote:
Hi, What is the difference between wine and wineX?
As Quinton said, WineX is targeted at games and Wine at applications. I generally use just WineX on my machine for the Windows applications I want to run. It doesn't work for all apps, just like vanilla Wine doesn't work for all apps, but in my experience, WineX works for more applications than Wine. In vanilla Wine you will probably have trouble with the installers for each SW package. WineX has some extra tweaks (beyond just the DirectX wrapper) so that more of the installer applications will actually start up and do their thing. For gaming WineX works great... except... not every game works, and it laggs behind the releases of DirectX. That said, when they do get a game working, it works great. I have it on my machine running Jedi Knight 2, Max Payne and a few others, and they actually run better in WineX than the do natively.
Is it possible to run both at the same time (wineX for my games, and wine for applications?)
Yes, you should be able to do this. Tough to play a game and draw something in Photoshop at the same time though. ;-)
What is an inexpensive way to do this if Wine or WineX is not the way to go? I looked at VMWare, but almost 300 dollars is a little much with its current limitations, and no upgrade insurance. Hardware requirements (i.e. extra ram, hdd space, cpu power, etc.) are not an issue.
You could also look at CodeWeavers Office. It is an inexpensive Wine adaptation that is targetted at running MS Office in Linux. Many people have reported good success with installing other applications. VMWare is really good for running a virtual PC. It's like having a second computer. It works very well for applications, and fails on gaming. You do not have 3D accelerated video, and sound stutters. The virtual video card in VMWare is not capable of doing the 3D stuff you need for games these days. I did install Civ2 in VMWare at one point just to see what would happen. It worked, but the sound stutters really badly... makes it almost unplayable. Windows in VMWare views your Linux machine as another computer on the local network. If you have Samba setup nicely, you can do peer2peer file sharing/transfers via Network Neighborhood. You also have access to hardware devices like NICs (for your cable modem if you have one) or modems for dialout. In my experience, the more memory you have the happier VMWare is. C.
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 04:24:24PM -0500, Jeric wrote:
Hi, What is the difference between wine and wineX? Is wineX /just/ for games, or can it do applications also? Because it looks like it has better support for games then wine, but I haven't seen anything as to applications that is supports. Is it possible to run both at the same time (wineX for my games, and wine for applications?)
WineX is optimized for games. No applications were enhanced. WINE itself has been greatly enhanced after winex has been split off to run applications better. (The whole CrossOver Office changes have been merged back in there for instance).
What is an inexpensive way to do this if Wine or WineX is not the way to go? I looked at VMWare, but almost 300 dollars is a little much with its current limitations, and no upgrade insurance. Hardware requirements (i.e. extra ram, hdd space, cpu power, etc.) are not an issue.
WINE does not cost anything to try. WineX has a subscription based model, see http://www.transgaming.com. Ciao, Marcus
* Marcus Meissner (meissner@suse.de) [020902 23:37]: :: ::WineX is optimized for games. No applications were enhanced. Optimized it maybe but it still runs Wintendo games..not Linux games. It will always lag behind because of DirectX crap and don't think for a minute that Microsoft won't play their little change this change that crap on everyone. As soon as the RedTape in the Micrsoft Corp. brain cleared up they removed the TTfonts. They exist to be a monopoly and if you think that's going to drastically change under King George Wubja..your mistaken. I never said that the WineX or Wine developers enhanced anything. But by being DirectX games they were written for the only platform that DirectX is native to..Windows. ::WINE itself has been greatly enhanced after winex has been split off ::to run applications better. (The whole CrossOver Office changes have been ::merged back in there for instance). I'm quite aware of what Codeweavers and the Crossover products are. I bought CrossOver the day it came out so I could run Quicktime. And ever since then I've been a little bit upset with myself for doing so instead of getting involved to patition Apple for a native version. ::WINE does not cost anything to try. ::WineX has a subscription based model, see http://www.transgaming.com. Wine costs everything I believe in..it runs Windows software. Plain and simple. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
One last thing. I think since OSX has native games and applications then so should Linux. I am really sick to my stomach that we have to always find a work around. We always have to take things and make them work. I don't like being treated like a 2nd class citizen..do you? Oh well. Time for bed.. Cheers! -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
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