At 12:46 AM 6/22/2001 +0200, you wrote:

hi,

i could offer to set up a mailing list on my domain for that purpose, maybe this is a solution ?

interrest ?

greets,

chris

I'm interested and that sounds like a good solution. Perhaps that way we can keep the SuSE lists genuinely suse-centric

Am Freitag, 22. Juni 2001 00:01 schrieb Mads Martin Jørgensen:

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Hey Together,

Could the off topic posters please calm down. It is starting to get out of control.

Thanks, Mads Martin Jørgensen, ml-admin@suse.com

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* Robert Schense [Jun 21. 2001 17:26]:

How about suse-linux-ot-e (or something) on the SuSE server? It's obvious

I thought about that, but now that that enterprising person have stepped up and offered to host that list, I would rather save the SuSE bandwith for SuSE related things like ftp etc. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort." -- A. P. J.

Being guilty of posting many replies and opinions related to the off topic subjects I have to say the I fully agree with Mads regarding bandwidth. I don't get the felling that he objects to the posting on a personal basis, it is rather based on a logic of bandwidth usage. I would love to have a venue to discuss and debate these issues. However, being a new and proud SuSE advocate. I must honestly say the Mads has a more than valid point. We mustn't forget that the primary rationale for the list is to help users and the SuSE/Linux community with issues related to the software. Market issuse might be more appropriate on a site/list geared to that. Just MHO. Curtis On Thursday 21 June 2001 07:34 pm, Mads Martin Jørgensen wrote:

* Robert Schense [Jun 21. 2001 17:26]:

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How about suse-linux-ot-e (or something) on the SuSE server? It's obvious

I thought about that, but now that that enterprising person have stepped up and offered to host that list, I would rather save the SuSE bandwith for SuSE related things like ftp etc.

hi all, ok, i have setup the list for that just now..... so, come on all, lets do our discusions over there, freeing bandwidth for the suse users who need help & the newest suse distro....;-) mybe you want to get the greeting mail by sending empty mail to lx-talk-get.1@big7.net to subscribe to this list, send a empty mail to lx-talk-subscribe@big7.net if you want to unsubscribe, send a empty mail to lx-talk-unsubscribe@big7.net the archive can be reached via web at http://mamalala.de/web/talk/maillist.html ah, help is with empty mail to lx-tal-help@big7.net greetings, chris Am Freitag, 22. Juni 2001 03:01 schrieb Mads Martin Jørgensen:

* Curtis Rey [Jun 21. 2001 17:59]:

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Being guilty of posting many replies and opinions related to the off topic subjects I have to say the I fully agree with Mads regarding bandwidth. I don't get the felling that he objects to the posting on a personal basis, it is rather based on a logic of bandwidth usage. I would love to have a venue to discuss and debate these issues. However, being a new and proud SuSE advocate. I must honestly say the Mads has a more than valid point. We mustn't forget that the primary rationale for the list is to help users and the SuSE/Linux community with issues related to the software. Market issuse might be more appropriate on a site/list geared to that. Just MHO.

Exactly! FWIW we can use all of SuSE's bandwith discussing SuSE Linux or just Linux.

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On Friday 22 June 2001 04:57, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

I'm afraid I'll get flamed for this, but I'm going to say it anyway:

Mads and you other admins, now that we actually have an off-topic mailing list, could we please enforce the on-topic-ness of this one? I mean, let's have it official: no OT's and no news on the SuSE-Linux-e mailing list.

Everything that's not fairly SuSE-centric (including things like my frequent requests for help with apache and bash scripts ;-) ) should be handled on the new list.

I'm convinced if we do not enforce it we'll be getting off-topics on this list again in no time.

What? You must be joking! Seeking help for Apache and/or bash in SuSE is NOT OT IMO. To me it has been rather weird to see how occupied this list has been recently with all that anti--M$ propaganda, that to me is OT and not a good sign for newcomers. M$ v -rest of the world of OS's is an interesting and a serious issue well worth lots of discussing, but to me it doesn't look good to fill this list with that. A good example is the linux.nu site in Sweden that got a discussion forum with a seperate list for discussing M$. Cheers, ei

Subscribed, thanks Christian - u da man :) Send this to Fred (hehe) It wouldn't be the same without him. Cheers. Curtis On Thursday 21 June 2001 08:20 pm, Christian Klippel wrote:

hi all,

ok, i have setup the list for that just now.....

so, come on all, lets do our discusions over there, freeing bandwidth for the suse users who need help & the newest suse distro....;-)

mybe you want to get the greeting mail by sending empty mail to lx-talk-get.1@big7.net

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greetings,

chris

Am Freitag, 22. Juni 2001 03:01 schrieb Mads Martin Jørgensen:

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* Curtis Rey [Jun 21. 2001 17:59]:

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Being guilty of posting many replies and opinions related to the off topic subjects I have to say the I fully agree with Mads regarding bandwidth. I don't get the felling that he objects to the posting on a personal basis, it is rather based on a logic of bandwidth usage. I would love to have a venue to discuss and debate these issues. However, being a new and proud SuSE advocate. I must honestly say the Mads has a more than valid point. We mustn't forget that the primary rationale for the list is to help users and the SuSE/Linux community with issues related to the software. Market issuse might be more appropriate on a site/list geared to that. Just MHO.

Exactly! FWIW we can use all of SuSE's bandwith discussing SuSE Linux or just Linux.

At 10:53 PM 6/21/2001 -0400, you wrote:

Now that there is a list specifically for Linux evangelism and news stories, those of us that like that stuff should subscribe to it, and SuSE should put it right there next to their other lists, so that people know where to go for it, imho.

Yeah. Does this list have a FAQ like some newsgroups and IRC channels do? It would be nice if newbies new that there's a separate list for off-topic things. Without having to be told :-)

Have a great night! -Steven

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On Thursday 21 June 2001 23:12, Timothy R.Butler wrote:

Definately. Please SuSE, put it on the SuSE Mailing Lists page! Question: what all will go under the label OT? Obviously news stories, general Linux discussion, etc. But what about stuff like diagnosing a problem in KDE, or setting up Samba, and all those other great things? Does this mean SLE will become a boring place that only discusses how to use YaST and what the latest version of SuSE will have in it?

My take? Posts concerning anything in any Suse distro are on-topic. Anything else is off-topic. Rudder

I've found many of the [OT]s to be useful since the SuSE community seems to have a bunch of people who are well-informed about them. I'd be more concerned if they weren't labelled as such, since those folks who aren't interested can easily page past them. But on that subject, how about an [MS] label (Microsoft? Multiple sclerosis? Any difference?) for MS-related posts that have no direct relationship to SuSE Linux? Paul

Mads Martin Jørgensen wrote:

Instead of having 75% of the mails on the suse-linux-e ! mailinglist tagged, I would prefer either one of these:

1) Having this mailinglist beeing about (SuSE) Linux in general with a *small* amount of OT postings.

2) Having this mailinglist beeing about (SuSE) Linux in general with all OT postings on another mailinglist.

I would rather use the bandwith on serving people who wants to use our ftp-server.

It'd be interesting to know what the breakdown is between SuSE Linux-specific posts, Microsoft-related posts, and other OT posts. My guess is something like 70/20/10. There's another way to look at the OT posts: this list discusses how to use a computer that's running SuSE Linux. (Remarkably few OT's are about RedHat, Debian, etc.). The people who can solve Linux-related problems often can solve other related problems. My own experience is that the number of SuSe-related but uninteresting (to me) posts far exceeds the number of )T but uninteresting (to me) posts. I think that any attempt to break off a chunk of the list for OT items would fail because the new list would be too unfocused. All this is subjective, of course. Paul

* Timothy R. Butler (tbutler@uninetsolutions.com) [010621 20:21]: -> ->> I think that any attempt to break off a chunk of the list for OT items ->> would fail because the new list would be too unfocused. ->> ->> All this is subjective, of course. -> -> I agree. SLE is a wonderful environment where everyone from the newest ->Linux user to the veteran *nixer can focus on our favorite topics: SuSE, ->Linux, and Linux vs. MS. Generally, the signal-to-noise ratio is very good, ->and I bet most people will find few posts that are so OT that most of the ->users do not find them interesting. -> SLE is a unique place - it seems ashame to break it apart, I'll definately ->miss it... Agreed. It seems that all the OT posts..arguing and other such things made it feel like your favorite bar or coffee house..but I guess we will now have to stick discussing coffee as it were. It's a shame that people we a bit too far after the [OT] subject stuff was agreed upon. Oh well. I guess when I go on vacation next time I won't have 500 pieces of mail when I get back...it will be very strange indeed. -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

hi, no, i didnt meant it to break up this list....god beware..... sorry if it was not so clear to anyone. the news stuff should still be posted here, as most of it relates to linux in some way. my thought was to give a place for (excessive ?) discussions on that topics besides this list, not really replacing it but rather relaxing it a bit.... also the new list is more meant as a general talking place around such topics, or anything related to the os-news...... i also wont miss the news postings here ;-) greets, chris Am Freitag, 22. Juni 2001 05:24 schrieb Ben Rosenberg:

* Timothy R. Butler (tbutler@uninetsolutions.com) [010621 20:21]: -> ->> I think that any attempt to break off a chunk of the list for OT items ->> would fail because the new list would be too unfocused. ->> ->> All this is subjective, of course. -> -> I agree. SLE is a wonderful environment where everyone from the newest ->Linux user to the veteran *nixer can focus on our favorite topics: SuSE, ->Linux, and Linux vs. MS. Generally, the signal-to-noise ratio is very good, ->and I bet most people will find few posts that are so OT that most of the ->users do not find them interesting. -> SLE is a unique place - it seems ashame to break it apart, I'll definately ->miss it...

Agreed. It seems that all the OT posts..arguing and other such things made it feel like your favorite bar or coffee house..but I guess we will now have to stick discussing coffee as it were. It's a shame that people we a bit too far after the [OT] subject stuff was agreed upon.

Oh well. I guess when I go on vacation next time I won't have 500 pieces of mail when I get back...it will be very strange indeed.

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