U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S..
Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws. ~James
James D. Parra wrote:
U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S..
Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws.
There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, James Knott wrote:
James D. Parra wrote:
U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S..
Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws.
There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
Problem with this IIRC is that the "Canadian" company was owned by an American Company. Hence it wasn't as nicely distant, as wholly Canadian.
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, James Knott wrote:
James D. Parra wrote:
U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S.. Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws. There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
Problem with this IIRC is that the "Canadian" company was owned by an American Company. Hence it wasn't as nicely distant, as wholly Canadian.
No it was not owned by an American company. There was another case, not too long ago, about a Russian programmer violating that DCMA, while still in Russia. He was arrested, when he came to the U.S. The U.S. government should be very careful about such things, as they're inviting other countries to impose their laws on Americans, when outside their jurisdictions.
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, James Knott wrote:
James D. Parra wrote:
U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S..
Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws.
There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
Problem with this IIRC is that the "Canadian" company was owned by an American Company. Hence it wasn't as nicely distant, as wholly Canadian.
No it was not owned by an American company. There was another case, not too long ago, about a Russian programmer violating that DCMA, while still in Russia. He was arrested, when he came to the U.S. The U.S. government should be very careful about such things, as they're inviting other countries to impose their laws on Americans, when outside their jurisdictions. Already happening -- a Spanish court has issued arrest warrants for a few American soldiers, including one Lt Col, for shooting up a Baghdad hotel filled with journalists -- and the only people who claim gunfire was coming -from- the hotel are the Americans, not even CNN who was
On 10/21/2005 08:04 PM, James Knott wrote: present and filming can substantiate that claim. I used to think Syria was the next target of US invasion, followed by Iran. Seems both of those will have to wait their turn, after Spain :D
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Already happening -- a Spanish court has issued arrest warrants for a few American soldiers, including one Lt Col, for shooting up a Baghdad hotel filled with journalists
killing a spanish journalist
-- and the only people who claim gunfire was coming -from- the hotel are the Americans, not even CNN who was present and filming can substantiate that claim. I used to think Syria was the next target of US invasion, followed by Iran. Seems both of those will have to wait their turn, after Spain :D
(This is very off topic, but...) Actually, the warrant has been issued because the court demands for information (previous to determining if a trial is needed), from the US court authorities have been met with silence. The move has been quite controversial here. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDXt9jtTMYHG2NR9URArZcAJ94u8v36afVg9hvPi1ETt+jSEkS7ACdHZmX FVg+jEBVIOHl9z4Ew58kU9M= =CB5E -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 22:04 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, James Knott wrote:
James D. Parra wrote:
U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S.. Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws. There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
Problem with this IIRC is that the "Canadian" company was owned by an American Company. Hence it wasn't as nicely distant, as wholly Canadian.
No it was not owned by an American company. There was another case, not too long ago, about a Russian programmer violating that DCMA, while still in Russia. He was arrested, when he came to the U.S. The U.S. government should be very careful about such things, as they're inviting other countries to impose their laws on Americans, when outside their jurisdictions.
This must be two different guys. I do recall the one I'm thinking about was branch plant, and that was the Justification used by Washington.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 10:04:01PM -0400, James Knott wrote: [...]
There was another case, not too long ago, about a Russian programmer violating that DCMA, while still in Russia. He was arrested, when he came to the U.S. The U.S. government should be very careful about such things, as they're inviting other countries to impose their laws on Americans, when outside their jurisdictions.
Hm... What was that again about the authorisation to invade the Netherlands should any US citizen ever be held to account by the international court in The Hague? Cheerio, Thomas
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 22:04 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, James Knott wrote:
James D. Parra wrote:
U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S.. Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws. There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
Problem with this IIRC is that the "Canadian" company was owned by an American Company. Hence it wasn't as nicely distant, as wholly Canadian.
No it was not owned by an American company. There was another case, not too long ago, about a Russian programmer violating that DCMA, while still in Russia. He was arrested, when he came to the U.S. The U.S. government should be very careful about such things, as they're inviting other countries to impose their laws on Americans, when outside their jurisdictions.
Its not just America. An American was arrested in Germainy for things said on his website hosted in America. He was what we call white trash, a member of the KKK who spoke well of Hitler. Foolish as this is such speach is protected by our first amendment. There was some question as to how the Germain government caused him to enter their country so they could arrest him. It seems governments are getting more arrogant all the time. I guess America is more so because of how many nations are on the dole. We use that checkbook diplomacy to perverse ends. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/
On 10/26/05, Carl William Spitzer IV
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 22:04 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, James Knott wrote:
James D. Parra wrote:
> U.S. laws do *NOT* apply outside of the U.S.. Not according to U.S. law makers. Jerome
Well the US gov' does impose it laws outside the US on the actions of its citizens. Income Tax laws apply to US citizens if they work overseas. Regardless how long a citizen has lived outside the US, the IRS states the you must pay taxes even if your have already paid income taxes in the country you are residing in. Also, certain crimes if committed outside the US are punishable by US laws. There was one case, a few years ago, when an executive of a Canadian company was charged with dealing with Cuba, even though his company was in Canada and no business was conducted in the U.S.
Problem with this IIRC is that the "Canadian" company was owned by an American Company. Hence it wasn't as nicely distant, as wholly Canadian.
No it was not owned by an American company. There was another case, not too long ago, about a Russian programmer violating that DCMA, while still in Russia. He was arrested, when he came to the U.S. The U.S. government should be very careful about such things, as they're inviting other countries to impose their laws on Americans, when outside their jurisdictions.
Its not just America. An American was arrested in Germainy for things said on his website hosted in America. He was what we call white trash, a member of the KKK who spoke well of Hitler. Foolish as this is such speach is protected by our first amendment.
Not in Germany, where admiration of Nazis is prohibited by law.
There was some question as to how the Germain government caused him to enter their country so they could arrest him.
Doubt that. Things were different if he was doing that in Germany. Crimes that have not been committed in Germany are not prosecuted by law enforcement authorities.
It seems governments are getting more arrogant all the time. I guess America is more so because of how many nations are on the dole. We use that checkbook diplomacy to perverse ends.
From my POV a very one-sided development that has taken place over the past decade.
\Steve
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