On Friday 03 August 2001 14:21, Jyry Kuukkanen wrote:

Hello

Sorry I can't really help you at all in this case, but I can tell you that you might have to go through rather painful times to get win4lin installed and running. Giving help from Netraverse can be rather annoying prosess as well.

Win4lin is a very good product ones you get it up and running. Very good product, indeed.

But Netravere's support is bad. Installing their stock RPM kernel for Suse 7.1 (2.4.0-4GB) goes fine, but for example Compaq Desktop series cd-rom interface doesn't really work with 7.1/2.4.0-4GB and patching any supported 2.4 kernel from kernel.org (2.4.3 or 2.4.4 or ...) might compile or not. And if it compiles, it either boots or not and ... ... ... ...

So good luck. As I mentioned, Netraverse support is *really* bad.

If only vmware's Exrpress was available for a try out, I might be able to suggest that, as they have a proper news server where users can openly discuss of installing problems and say out loud where the problems lies. Netraverse gives you "register and tell about your problem and we contact you" approach, which is not very nice nor quick or useful.

Not to start an argument but I just can't sit here and watch a company that really seems to be trying hit so hard. I have run Win4Lin and find it to be a very good package. I don't like that the kernel has to be patched, but it is a small price to pay for the performance you can get from Win4Lin. As for their support, I think it is the best of any company I have ever had to deal with. They are: 1) Responsive (usually within the same day) 2) Hard working (I've given them some really tough problems) 3) Usually give good results. 4) And they FOLLOW-UP asking you what you thought of their support service. I don't know of anyone who does (4) and it shows me that they are interested. I have NO INTEREST WHATEVER in Netraverse. I am just a customer of one copy of Win4Lin and I currently have 1 tough problem on their list. I think they are excellent. As for VMware, I would prefer to run it as I think it is a cleaner way to do things. However, I installed the 30 days trial last week and found it to be waaay too slow to work with. I never could get a double mouse-click to work and instead had to RMB click and then use the OPEN from the dialog popup. Also, just clicking on a button didn't seem to work right, and if you clicked on a button, it would depress but not release until you moved the mouse again. I found it totally unworkable and deleted it (and reported all this to VMWare in their followup of the evaluation) All of the above was run on an 800mhz Athlon, with 512MB memory using Ultra SCSI160 harddrives... so I don't think hardware limitations were the problem. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 08/03/01 14:43 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jana's Law of Love: "A dandelion from a lover means more than an orchid from a friend"

On Friday 03 August 2001 14:21, Jyry Kuukkanen wrote:

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Hello

Sorry I can't really help you at all in this case, but I can tell you

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you might have to go through rather painful times to get win4lin installed and running. Giving help from Netraverse can be rather annoying prosess as well.

Win4lin is a very good product ones you get it up and running. Very good product, indeed.

But Netravere's support is bad. Installing their stock RPM kernel for Suse 7.1 (2.4.0-4GB) goes fine, but for example Compaq Desktop series cd-rom interface doesn't really work with 7.1/2.4.0-4GB and patching any supported 2.4 kernel from kernel.org (2.4.3 or 2.4.4 or ...) might compile or not. And if it compiles, it either boots or not and ... ... ... ...

So good luck. As I mentioned, Netraverse support is *really* bad.

If only vmware's Exrpress was available for a try out, I might be able to suggest that, as they have a proper news server where users can openly discuss of installing problems and say out loud where the problems lies. Netraverse gives you "register and tell about your problem and we contact you" approach, which is not very nice nor quick or useful.

Not to start an argument but I just can't sit here and watch a company

really seems to be trying hit so hard. I have run Win4Lin and find it to be a very good package. I don't like that the kernel has to be patched, but it is a small price to pay for the performance you can get from Win4Lin.

As for their support, I think it is the best of any company I have ever had to deal with. They are:

1) Responsive (usually within the same day) 2) Hard working (I've given them some really tough problems) 3) Usually give good results. 4) And they FOLLOW-UP asking you what you thought of their support service.

I don't know of anyone who does (4) and it shows me that they are interested.

I have NO INTEREST WHATEVER in Netraverse. I am just a customer of one copy of Win4Lin and I currently have 1 tough problem on their list. I think

are excellent.

As for VMware, I would prefer to run it as I think it is a cleaner way to do things. However, I installed the 30 days trial last week and found it to be waaay too slow to work with. I never could get a double mouse-click to work and instead had to RMB click and then use the OPEN from the dialog popup. Also, just clicking on a button didn't seem to work right, and if you clicked on a button, it would depress but not release until you moved the mouse again. I found it totally unworkable and deleted it (and reported all

to VMWare in their followup of the evaluation)

All of the above was run on an 800mhz Athlon, with 512MB memory using Ultra SCSI160 harddrives... so I don't think hardware limitations were the

Actually with the number of SuSE users that seem to be using this product, I wonder if SuSE would consider providing an already patched (if possible) kernal as part of the standard distribution set. I, and i'm sure many others, wouldn't mind having a try using win4lin but can't afford to have a "dead" system from a problem caused in kernal rebuilding. my 2 cents scsijon ps I tried VMware but it's TOO COSTLY FOR WHAT IT DELIVERS, if it had win2000 and ME in it yes but as is no. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Marshall" To: "suse users" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] win4lin that that they this problem.

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I got win4lin working with 7.1 but it was definetly not easy. (I wonder what win4lin would think if I charged them for something and then one of their engineers had to spend a week (at their expense) trying to get it going?). The support was good, at least they responded in a timely manner, no answers, just responses. Then when I upgraded to SuSE 7.2 win4lin stopped as expected, but I have not had the chance to get it going. I contacted netraverse for a kernel patch and they responded promptly that they may do one eventually. It is a shame, because this is an excellent product.

Phil

I wonder what is so special with win4lin kernel patch that they could not try to get it to vanilla kernel? I mean, Samba has made it to get support by official kernel tree, why would "Support for Windows application" make any difference -- if Netraverse only released this little patch under GPL that is... --jq

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 09:21:50PM +0300 or thereabouts, Jyry Kuukkanen wrote:

But Netravere's support is bad. Installing their stock RPM kernel for Suse

So good luck. As I mentioned, Netraverse support is *really* bad.

I am sorry that I cannot help with the problem either, but I must totally disagree with Win4Lin support. I have on four occasions had to use their email support, and it was a pleasure each time. They responsed to me no later then the next day, and on the last occasion, in just 2 hours. They even follow up with an email asking if the answer has cleared up the problem, and that they will close the file/question/email if it has. They always respond quickly. VMWare, on the other hand, well their support is much lacking, and if it was not for their news group, forget it. I have both VMW and Win4Lin that my wife uses on her machine. -- Best regards, Gary