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Fred A. Miller

3 Oct 2005 3 Oct '05

22:56

Why is it that at www.novell.com and the suse site within it, there's NO bold and bragging news about SUSE 10.0?! By now, there SHOULD be a LOT of fanfare about it instead of an old release.....9.3. Either something isn't "right" at Novell or whoever does the web pages has been asleep for sometime. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

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Bruce Marshall

3 Oct 3 Oct

23:25

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On Monday 03 October 2005 06:56 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Why is it that at www.novell.com and the suse site within it, there's NO bold and bragging news about SUSE 10.0?! By now, there SHOULD be a LOT of fanfare about it instead of an old release.....9.3. Either something isn't "right" at Novell or whoever does the web pages has been asleep for sometime.

Well, I went to www.novell.com and clicked on SuSE Linux and got a full page-full of 10.0 Nope, no music with it tho.... :-)

Jorge Fábregas

23:28

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On Monday 03 October 2005 7:25 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:

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Well, I went to www.novell.com and clicked on SuSE Linux and got a full page-full of 10.0

He may be talking about www.suse.com which still contains SUSE 9.3. Jorge

Stan Glasoe

23:39

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On Monday 03 October 2005 5:56 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Why is it that at www.novell.com and the suse site within it, there's NO bold and bragging news about SUSE 10.0?! By now, there SHOULD be a LOT of fanfare about it instead of an old release.....9.3. Either something isn't "right" at Novell or whoever does the web pages has been asleep for sometime.

Fred

Stealth Marketing at its finest. Isn't this Novell's modus operandi for the past several decades? Stan

Fred A. Miller

23:52

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On Monday 03 October 2005 7:39 pm, Stan Glasoe wrote:

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On Monday 03 October 2005 5:56 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Why is it that at www.novell.com and the suse site within it, there's NO bold and bragging news about SUSE 10.0?! By now, there SHOULD be a LOT of fanfare about it instead of an old release.....9.3. Either something isn't "right" at Novell or whoever does the web pages has been asleep for sometime.

Fred

Stealth Marketing at its finest. Isn't this Novell's modus operandi for the past several decades?

Dumb! They've always been on the "drab" side, yes. 'Need a new image, that IS for sure!! I'm available for hire!! 'GLADLY replace whoever is head of their marketing now. I sure wouldn't work for him. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

Patrick Shanahan

4 Oct 4 Oct

00:40

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* Fred Miller [10-03-05 19:05]:

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Dumb! They've always been on the "drab" side, yes. 'Need a new image, that IS for sure!! I'm available for hire!! 'GLADLY replace whoever is head of their marketing now. I sure wouldn't work for him.

Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0 http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_products... -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

jdd sur free

07:15

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Fred Miller [10-03-05 19:05]:

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Dumb! They've always been on the "drab" side, yes. 'Need a new image, that IS for sure!! I'm available for hire!! 'GLADLY replace whoever is head of their marketing now. I sure wouldn't work for him.

Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_products...

but me I go here and see 9.3. May be the site is not( entirely updated :-) http://www.novell.com/fr-fr/linux/suse/index.html?sourceidint=hp_products_su... jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Patrick Shanahan

14:10

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* jdd sur free [10-04-05 02:17]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_products...

but me I go here and see 9.3. May be the site is not( entirely updated :-)

http://www.novell.com/fr-fr/linux/suse/index.html?sourceidint=hp_products_su...

Yes, looks like Novell France is not updated. Why don't you knock on their door and advise them to become current? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

jdd sur free

16:42

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* jdd sur free [10-04-05 02:17]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_products...

but me I go here and see 9.3. May be the site is not( entirely updated :-)

http://www.novell.com/fr-fr/linux/suse/index.html?sourceidint=hp_products_su...

Yes, looks like Novell France is not updated. Why don't you knock on their door and advise them to become current?

suse 10 release date is october 6, we may give then a chance to be in touch :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

Fred A. Miller

13:02

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On Monday 03 October 2005 8:40 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Fred Miller [10-03-05 19:05]:

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Dumb! They've always been on the "drab" side, yes. 'Need a new image, that IS for sure!! I'm available for hire!! 'GLADLY replace whoever is head of their marketing now. I sure wouldn't work for him.

Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_product s_suse

Have another cup of coffee then go back to the Novell site. There's NO mention of SUSE 10.0 and there SHOULD be in bold headlines! To the newbie, it's pretty drab, dull, and noninformative. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

Albert

13:14

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Fred A. Miller wrote:

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Have another cup of coffee then go back to the Novell site. There's NO mention of SUSE 10.0 and there SHOULD be in bold headlines! To the newbie, it's pretty drab, dull, and noninformative.

So I went to http://www.suse.com - Shows SuSE Linux Professional 9.3. I then selected the SuSE Linux item from the products menu and it took me to http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_ products_suse - Big SuSE Linux Professional 9.3 banner. To the right on this page under "coming soon" it shows SuSE Linux 10.0. I then went to http://www.novell.com scolled down to the Products listing and selected SuSE Linux. This took me to http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hp_products_ suselinux which shows SuSE Linux 10. I then went to Novell Africa (http://www.novell.co.za). Their site hasn't changed in the last 6 months. I selected SuSE Linux from the products menu and got taken to http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_ products_suse boasting SuSE Linux Professional 9.3 with SuSE Linux 10.0 under "coming soon". It therefore seems that Novell has changed the locations of certain documents on their website but failed to update all the references. Someone else mentioned that it seems that Novell has not finished updating their website - from what I've seen they need to take the entire website back to the drawing board to fix it. I wonder if someone from Novell is actually monitoring the SuSE mailing lists. I'm sure if they did a lot of the issues would have been solved already. Albert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/118 - Release Date: 2005/10/03

Fred A. Miller

15:13

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On Tuesday 04 October 2005 9:14 am, Albert wrote:

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Someone else mentioned that it seems that Novell has not finished updating their website - from what I've seen they need to take the entire website back to the drawing board to fix it.

I wonder if someone from Novell is actually monitoring the SuSE mailing lists. I'm sure if they did a lot of the issues would have been solved already.

It would appear that if so, the right personal isn't paying attention. Web design and marketing are SORELY lacking at Novell! Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

Patrick Shanahan

14:15

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* Fred Miller [10-04-05 08:02]:

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On Monday 03 October 2005 8:40 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_product s_suse

Have another cup of coffee then go back to the Novell site. There's NO mention of SUSE 10.0 and there SHOULD be in bold headlines! To the newbie, it's pretty drab, dull, and noninformative.

Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Erik Jakobsen

14:30

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Fred Miller [10-04-05 08:02]:

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On Monday 03 October 2005 8:40 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_product s_suse

Have another cup of coffee then go back to the Novell site. There's NO mention of SUSE 10.0 and there SHOULD be in bold headlines! To the newbie, it's pretty drab, dull, and noninformative.

Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

There's nothing to see ! Erik

Fergus Wilde

14:50

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On Tuesday 04 October 2005 15:15, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Fred Miller [10-04-05 08:02]:

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On Monday 03 October 2005 8:40 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Don't know what all the problem is. Novell -> products & solutions -> suse linux

and there is: SUSE Linux 10.0

http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/index.html?sourceidint=hdr_pro duct s_suse

Have another cup of coffee then go back to the Novell site. There's NO mention of SUSE 10.0 and there SHOULD be in bold headlines! To the newbie, it's pretty drab, dull, and noninformative.

Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

OK Pat, switch to decaf now ...

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-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

-- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB UK Tel: 0161 834 7961 Fax: 0161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk

Fred A. Miller

15:15

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On Tuesday 04 October 2005 10:15 am, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

"Unknown host." :) Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

Patrick Shanahan

15:19

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* Patrick Shanahan [10-04-05 09:18]:

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Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

ok, cannot type the correct name of my own web site: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

Fred A. Miller

23:41

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On Tuesday 04 October 2005 11:19 am, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Patrick Shanahan [10-04-05 09:18]:

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Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

ok, cannot type the correct name of my own web site:

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

That WOULD make a better Novell front page than what they have! Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

Kurt Wall

5 Oct 5 Oct

01:21

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On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:15:54AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan took 30 lines to write:

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Ok, I'm on the third cup now. Look here: http://whaoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/SUSE10.jpg ^^ Kurt -- "Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds." -- J. Finnegan, USC.

jfweber＠bellsouth.net

4 Oct 4 Oct

20:48

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On October Monday 03 2005 7:52 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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On Monday 03 October 2005 7:39 pm, Stan Glasoe wrote:

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On Monday 03 October 2005 5:56 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote: <snippage>

Stealth Marketing at its finest. Isn't this Novell's modus operandi for the past several decades?

Dumb! They've always been on the "drab" side, yes. 'Need a new image, that IS for sure!! I'm available for hire!! 'GLADLY replace whoever is head of their marketing now. I sure wouldn't work for him.

<snip> Is that what the haxor was trying to do? I didn't see the wiki page that got hacked tother day .. so I couldn't say.. but I would think one could do a lot of stuff w/ the opensuse group.. and get that looking spiffy enough to catch someone's attention. <useless musings=on > Unless they prefer to be oldtime business when everything was drab and business folks were pissed at warp4's advertising ... said it made it seem "not dedicated enough" to business as it was then... OTH, look at where that "serious and dedicated" stuff got them... <useless musings=off> bah! ;-) -- j registered linux user #363029 Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive.

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Albert
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Erik Jakobsen
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Fred A. Miller
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Jorge Fábregas
Kurt Wall
Patrick Shanahan
Stan Glasoe