On Sun April 17 2005 2:20 pm, michaelnel@comcast.net wrote:

My 9.2 -> 9.3 upgrade was an unmitigated disaster.  Every time I try upgrading SuSE it's a mess.  I used to buy the boxed set each time, but it puts me through so much crap that I decided I don't want to continue paying for it.  I can get that kind of abuse for free, so last time I waited to upgrade to 9.2 until it was on the ftp sites.

I wanted the box set for the manuals, and to help continue development. so I got the 9.2 Pro version.

So I tried upgrading my MAIN machine from 9.2 (up to date with apt) to 9.3.  Disaster.

No X, fetchnvidia.sh fetches a driver that segfaults upon startup.

I installed 9.3 on a freshly formatted slice, on the same drive where I have 9.2 installed. NVidia installed no problem, my Gforce video card works fine, and I managed to turn on 3D acceleration before I finished the install.

No sound, alsa segfaulted

I'll have to check, I don't remember sounds.

No printing, it can't find my usb printer that has worked fine with all previous versions of suse and STILL works perfectly with win xp, but 9.3 simply can't find a printer there.

It found my Epson 880 first try, and I installed my Panasonic KX-P1124 parallel myself.

So, since I have /home on a separate partition, and have backups, I decided to bite the bullet and do a clean install.

good idea:)

I still have the same problems.

What a piece of crap.  I'm glad I didn't PAY for this mess. SuSE's been going downhill at a breakneck pace since Novell took over.

the reason I did a fresh install was to avoid crashing my existing setup, which I did, so I can tweak 9.3 till I'm happy, then convert over:) YMMV -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 X-Request-PGP: http://home.comcast.net/~p.cartwright/wsb/key.asc

michaelnel@comcast.net wrote:

My 9.2 -> 9.3 upgrade was an unmitigated disaster. Every time I try upgrading SuSE it's a mess. I used to buy the boxed set each time, but it puts me through so much crap that I decided I don't want to continue paying for it. I can get that kind of abuse for free, so last time I waited to upgrade to 9.2 until it was on the ftp sites.

This time I decided to get it from the infamous torrent. It has caused me problems on all three systems I installed it on, but on the first two they were easily solved.

So I tried upgrading my MAIN machine from 9.2 (up to date with apt) to 9.3. Disaster.

No X, fetchnvidia.sh fetches a driver that segfaults upon startup.

No sound, alsa segfaulted

No printing, it can't find my usb printer that has worked fine with all previous versions of suse and STILL works perfectly with win xp, but 9.3 simply can't find a printer there.

So, since I have /home on a separate partition, and have backups, I decided to bite the bullet and do a clean install.

I still have the same problems.

What a piece of crap. I'm glad I didn't PAY for this mess. SuSE's been going downhill at a breakneck pace since Novell took over.

Is this the first time you have run Linux, and tried to upgrade? If you are looking for help, ask politely like you would like to be asked. This is a good list with plenty who are willing to help. Dee

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On Sunday 17 April 2005 10:29 am, Paul Cartwright wrote:

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just curious, when you say backup entire system, what do you mean, and what did you use?

I use two different ones, dar and backup2l . Just recently started using dar and may switch to it entirely, just haven't decided. As for what I mean by backing up the entire system, just what I said, dar creates a backup of everything on the system for me. It's on your SuSE CD/DVD, check it out. I have it dump the backup slices to a networked Buffalo Linkstation. Every once and a while I burn DVDs of the slices.

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usr/local ?? help me out here, I have been backing up /etc and /home, what do I need from /usr/local ? ?

Well behaved applications that you may install off the net or elsewhere will generally install themselves to /usr/local so by preserving /usr/local, you will not have to reinstall all those applications after a fresh install.

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Either way seems more painful to me than it should be. I really hate to use Windows as an example, but OS upgrades in Windows did not break a bunch of stuff on me like the Linux upgrades seem to do.

um, well... I beg to differ... XP SP1 broke a bunch of stuff on my setup. I've had to back out a few others in my time, but lets not talk M$ today :)

:) OK, agreed. No win talk today <g>

Scott