I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/26 21:45 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Multibooters commonly have no use for separate repair media. If one Linux gets messed up, simply boot one that isn't and fix the other from that. If you create a primary partition for a master boot loader (such as Grub) and never mount it as /boot, about the only way booting can ever get corrupted is if you corrupt it yourself by accident or incompetence. Just be sure to put each Linux' own boot loader on its own root partition, never on the MBR. The real boot partition can chainload, configfile or boot kernel/initrd pairs directly, all according to your own specifications and wishes. Those who actually want to boot other media for repair purposes have any number of live distros that provide the tools. Once boot is complete, (re)installing Grub can take mere seconds. Man pages online for Grub explain how easy it is to (re)install Grub natively. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:20:44 -0400
Felix Miata
On 2010/07/26 21:45 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Multibooters commonly have no use for separate repair media. If one Linux gets messed up, simply boot one that isn't and fix the other from that. If you create a primary partition for a master boot loader (such as Grub) and never mount it as /boot, about the only way booting can ever get corrupted is if you corrupt it yourself by accident or incompetence. Just be sure to put each Linux' own boot loader on its own root partition, never on the MBR. The real boot partition can chainload, configfile or boot kernel/initrd pairs directly, all according to your own specifications and wishes.
Those who actually want to boot other media for repair purposes have any number of live distros that provide the tools. Once boot is complete, (re)installing Grub can take mere seconds. Man pages online for Grub explain how easy it is to (re)install Grub natively.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-27 14:17, James Knott wrote:
Thomas Taylor wrote:
Please leave religious taglines, references, etc. off this list.
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- -1 It is just a tagline. It could be about star treck, which some may consider childish. You can love them, or hate them. Does not matter: just ignore them, and don't complain - unless you want to start another flame war. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxO3icACgkQU92UU+smfQU/pACgkeCg8hoymXyLA9XaKFCZ5BrU UygAniPTx7z9H0WtR8hAPoyFi7rqqH7R =BYeH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 27/07/10 15:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-27 14:17, James Knott wrote:
Thomas Taylor wrote:
Please leave religious taglines, references, etc. off this list.
+1
-1
It is just a tagline. It could be about star treck, which some may consider childish. You can love them, or hate them. Does not matter: just ignore them, and don't complain - unless you want to start another flame war.
-1, too. If you look at the content not only at the source you would see that you do not have to be a Christan or have to be religious at all to use or understand that lines. The only disadvantage of usage of this lines in such a mailing-list is to me: If I give that exact phrase now to a web search I get (nearly) more results in relation to linux systems than results with content about the meaning and source of that motto or about equal aphorisms with an other (religious or non-religious) source... Greetings pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD? Till 11.2 and before I used GRUB2 form Ubuntu I that just worked for me. Or try some of the five other possibilities listed there (I was just content with the repair option): http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susebootfive.html ? Good luck pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-pae (or default, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD? Till 11.2 and before I used GRUB2 form Ubuntu I that just worked for me.
Or try some of the five other possibilities listed there (I was just content with the repair option): http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susebootfive.html ?
Good luck pistazienfresser
I looked up the url at swerdna.org and I am greatly, greatly impressed with the detailed instructions they provide. If all of the various instruction sheets and man pages were written like this, Microsoft would be long since down the drain! Congratulations to the folks at swerdna who put this together! Way to go! --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 27/07/10 18:45, Doug wrote:
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote: [...] I looked up the url at swerdna.org and I am greatly, greatly impressed with the detailed instructions they provide. If all of the various instruction sheets and man pages were written like this, Microsoft would be long since down the drain! Congratulations to the folks at swerdna who put this together! Way to go! [...] I presume it is just one (great) guy, you may look at: http://forums.opensuse.org/members/swerdna.html http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Forums_team http://www.swerdna.org/index.html https://users.opensuse.org/show/swerdna
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On 27/07/10 18:45, Doug wrote:
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote: [...] I looked up the url at swerdna.org and I am greatly, greatly impressed with the detailed instructions they provide. If all of the various instruction sheets and man pages were written like this, Microsoft would be long since down the drain! Congratulations to the folks at swerdna who put this together! Way to go! [...] I presume it is just one (great) guy, you may look at: http://forums.opensuse.org/members/swerdna.html http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Forums_team http://www.swerdna.org/index.html https://users.opensuse.org/show/swerdna
Greetings pistazienfresser
Quite right. It's John, running solo from the big Down Under . . . -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, I have never seen that, but it would really be good of OpenSUSE, and other Linux installations, to add such effective functionlity. As an aside I have never understood why Linux is so resistant to making things easier for the end-user, as if being difficult is somehow good for a user. OpenSUSE has done a very good job, in general, of seeking to make things easier for the end-user so maybe they will add such a useful option in the future. One can boot into a rescue login, but then one gets only the functionality on the 11.3 DVD itself. Then one has to mount filesystems and all the rest before re-installing grub.
Till 11.2 and before I used GRUB2 form Ubuntu I that just worked for me.
Or try some of the five other possibilities listed there (I was just content with the repair option): http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susebootfive.html ?
I will look at the first option there since I went into the rescue system immediately to see how that worked. Obviously booting into the installation on hard disk, where everything is installed and mounted properly, makes it much easier to re-initialize grub in the boot partition. The other options, other than the last of SGD, are not really clearly explained at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
One can boot into a rescue login, but then one gets only the functionality on the 11.3 DVD itself. Then one has to mount filesystems and all the rest before re-installing grub.
(Re)installing grub does not require that any partitions be mounted. http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC9 explains how, which is how I always reinstall Grub. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 16:10 -0400, Edward Diener wrote:
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, I have never seen that, but it would really be good of OpenSUSE, and other Linux installations, to add such effective functionlity.
It has been in the install media for many releases. You can boot to repair the system. There you get a menu for what to repair. Boot loader is one of them. All in a warm'n'fuzzy GUI. I have used this many times. It checks and repairs a surprisingly large number of things. I even found it useful when moving a disk from one system to another and needed the initrd updated for the new hardware.
As an aside I have never understood why Linux is so resistant to making things easier for the end-user, as if being difficult is somehow good for a user. OpenSUSE has done a very good job, in general, of seeking to make things easier for the end-user so maybe they will add such a useful option in the future.
You are correct generally. But in this case, it may be more a matter of Linux keeping quite about things. openSUSE have a great fully automatic repair option in the install medium.
One can boot into a rescue login, but then one gets only the functionality on the 11.3 DVD itself. Then one has to mount filesystems and all the rest before re-installing grub.
That is the wrong option. There is another that will repair the system. It does it for you. There is no mucking about with logins and command lines. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/28/2010 2:52 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 16:10 -0400, Edward Diener wrote:
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, I have never seen that, but it would really be good of OpenSUSE, and other Linux installations, to add such effective functionlity.
It has been in the install media for many releases. You can boot to repair the system. There you get a menu for what to repair. Boot loader is one of them. All in a warm'n'fuzzy GUI. I have used this many times. It checks and repairs a surprisingly large number of things. I even found it useful when moving a disk from one system to another and needed the initrd updated for the new hardware.
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
As an aside I have never understood why Linux is so resistant to making things easier for the end-user, as if being difficult is somehow good for a user. OpenSUSE has done a very good job, in general, of seeking to make things easier for the end-user so maybe they will add such a useful option in the future.
You are correct generally. But in this case, it may be more a matter of Linux keeping quite about things. openSUSE have a great fully automatic repair option in the install medium.
One can boot into a rescue login, but then one gets only the functionality on the 11.3 DVD itself. Then one has to mount filesystems and all the rest before re-installing grub.
That is the wrong option. There is another that will repair the system. It does it for you. There is no mucking about with logins and command lines.
See above. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010-07-28 16:44, Edward Diener wrote:
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
It was removed. Broken and not maintained. Discussed somewhere in the factory list not many months ago. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))
On 7/28/2010 11:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-28 16:44, Edward Diener wrote:
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
It was removed. Broken and not maintained. Discussed somewhere in the factory list not many months ago.
So much for the OpenSUSE Repair option everybody has been telling me about as the best way to re-initialize 'grub'. I will try the Rescue System option instead. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/28/2010 11:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-28 16:44, Edward Diener wrote:
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
It was removed. Broken and not maintained. Discussed somewhere in the factory list not many months ago.
So much for the OpenSUSE Repair option everybody has been telling me about as the best way to re-initialize 'grub'. I will try the Rescue System option instead.
On most setups, grub can be easily installed from the command line (and is at least as easy, if not more so, than rebuilding the boot database in Vista/W7). I've always preferred using the CLI over YaST because it gives me more granular control and feedback. At any rate, you can see how YaST last installed grub by looking at /etc/grub.conf; YaST simply feeds this file to the grub shell (as an aside, do not use the grub-install script on openSUSE). It does however require a basic understanding of how grub works and the main syntax. If you need help, just ask (btw this assistance is readily provided on the Forums, especially following a new release, as it is a common problem area for new users). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/28/2010 1:35 PM, dwgallien wrote:
On 7/28/2010 11:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-07-28 16:44, Edward Diener wrote:
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
It was removed. Broken and not maintained. Discussed somewhere in the factory list not many months ago.
So much for the OpenSUSE Repair option everybody has been telling me about as the best way to re-initialize 'grub'. I will try the Rescue System option instead.
On most setups, grub can be easily installed from the command line (and is at least as easy, if not more so, than rebuilding the boot database in Vista/W7). I've always preferred using the CLI over YaST because it gives me more granular control and feedback. At any rate, you can see how YaST last installed grub by looking at /etc/grub.conf; YaST simply feeds this file to the grub shell (as an aside, do not use the grub-install script on openSUSE). It does however require a basic understanding of how grub works and the main syntax. If you need help, just ask (btw this assistance is readily provided on the Forums, especially following a new release, as it is a common problem area for new users).
I hope I do not have to install 'grub' when I use the Rescue System as opposed to re-initialize 'grub' on my boot partition, which is what I will need to do once I move the partition. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 10:44 -0400, Edward Diener wrote:
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
I must say I am now confused. I looked for the option on my 11.3 DVD and did not see it. I am going to try an earlier release to see where it used to be. I know I used it in 11.2 because I had (have...) a strange few systems with black text on black backgrounds that won't go away. I used this feature to verify that all was installed correctly. I hope this feature has not gone away. It has always been a strength of openSUSE for me. I have been saved by it more than once. I am hoping it is either an oversight or accessible in some other fashion... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/07/10 09:04, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 10:44 -0400, Edward Diener wrote:
Please tell me where in the general 11.3 CD ( not the live CD ), there is a "repair" ? I have not been able to find it anywhere. Someone suggested to try "Install" from the initial menu, and then one is supposed to eventually get a menu of "Install", "Upgrade", and "Repair". But I only get "Install" and "Upgrade" from that second eventual menu.
I must say I am now confused. I looked for the option on my 11.3 DVD and did not see it. I am going to try an earlier release to see where it used to be. I know I used it in 11.2 because I had (have...) a strange few systems with black text on black backgrounds that won't go away. I used this feature to verify that all was installed correctly.
I hope this feature has not gone away. It has always been a strength of openSUSE for me. I have been saved by it more than once. I am hoping it is either an oversight or accessible in some other fashion...
It has. I read it only yesterday in the de-mailinglist with a link to the factory-mailinglist. To do now?: Open a openFATE vote and pray (if religious) or hope for the founding of a openSUSE foundation and pay/donate ? Regards pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-pae (or default, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - Samsung X20 Pentium M 740 (1730 MHz) Intel 915GM 1400x1050 - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Edward Diener said the following on 07/27/2010 04:10 PM:
As an aside I have never understood why Linux is so resistant to making things easier for the end-user,
Linux isn't. The people who program it are. Its been said that Linux is written by geeks for geeks, I don't accept that, but then I don't accept that Linux is any more difficult to use than Windows or a windows application. After all, each release of, for example, MS-Office (never mind the OS) comes out with a new UI. No doubt so that 3rd party companies can make money on re-training. But the internal format changes of MS-Office and are often incompatible (and so stop all your add-in products from working, and you then have to buy the upgrades - when and if they come out.. I recall after one release a client of mine found that documents printed differently, which caused no end of legal hassle. -- There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no pilot knows what they are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
pistazienfresser wrote:
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, I have never seen that, but it would really be good of OpenSUSE, and other Linux installations, to add such effective functionlity.
It was removed only recently: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00407.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/28/2010 11:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
pistazienfresser wrote:
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, I have never seen that, but it would really be good of OpenSUSE, and other Linux installations, to add such effective functionlity.
It was removed only recently: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00407.html
If the Repair System was already broke, which is what the above URL suggests, it evidently then was not very usable anyway. I wonder why then so many people suggested using it on earlier versions of OS where it existed on the install CD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-07-29 00:29, Edward Diener wrote:
On 7/28/2010 11:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
It was removed only recently: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00407.html
If the Repair System was already broke, which is what the above URL suggests, it evidently then was not very usable anyway. I wonder why then so many people suggested using it on earlier versions of OS where it existed on the install CD.
Because it worked for many people, and if it did, problem solved. It has never worked for me, though - - when I have a problem, it is a royal problem. It comes with the tittle, I guess :-} :-P - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxQyWMACgkQU92UU+smfQWc4wCfWMF7yviA7HcEWaYESvJIKI1f 6k8AoJJvhLzmTvmVVdZTpQCRQNhhGvKm =OEKt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/28 18:29 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
If the Repair System was already broke, which is what the above URL suggests, it evidently then was not very usable anyway. I wonder why then so many people suggested using it on earlier versions of OS where it existed on the install CD.
Some had success, and suggested based on their own experiences. Those who failed or found success through other means were probably recorded if at all in threads with topics hard or impossible to connect to the installation media's repair systems. As Kulow indicated in the thread referred to, repair system testing takes a lot of effort for little reward. It's impossible to predict or test all breakage scenarios. Murphy's corollaries guarantee failures. Swiss Army Knives are cannot always be up to the task. OTOH, recognizing which tool is the right one for a particular job, then using it, guarantees least possible difficulty overcoming the problem. Though tougher for n00bs, and hardly always possible, avoiding the failure in the first place is even better. Planning for the inevitable helps. Making sure more than one functional / exists is one way, and keeping each capable of starting without help of the others takes it a step farther, particularly if you take a little time to learn how to use the Grub shell in advance. I'm serious about the "little" part. (Legacy) Grub is pretty simple. Few steps with it are usually required to either boot or repair. Practicing with it can be as simple as two keystrokes during boot (ESC, c). Try it sometime. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, July 29, 2010 05:29:45 am Edward Diener wrote:
On 7/28/2010 11:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
pistazienfresser wrote:
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the
openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
If the Repair System was already broke, which is what the above URL suggests, it evidently then was not very usable anyway. I wonder why then so many people suggested using it on earlier versions of OS where it existed on the install CD.
I have used it in the past and it has helped me with several problems. After the netinstall of 11.3 I wa busy downloading the DVD, just in order to have a repair solution. If it is not available anymore I will not burn a DVD. What for? Real pity. Repair System gone, Sax2 gone. What else is now missing? -- Linux User 183145 using LXDE on a Pentium IV , powered by openSUSE 11.3 (i586) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-default LXDE WM & KDE Development Platform: 4.4.95 (KDE 4.4.95 (KDE 4.5 >= 20100723)) 17:03pm up 6:11, 2 users, load average: 2.23, 0.75, 0.42 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 29/07/10 12:07, C. Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
On Thursday, July 29, 2010 05:29:45 am Edward Diener wrote:
On 7/28/2010 11:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
Real pity. Repair System gone, Sax2 gone.
There are not so many votes jet on: https://features.opensuse.org/308357 (http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Archive:SaX2&oldid=14388 for more links/information) Regards pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2010/07/29 17:07 (GMT+0700) C. Brouerius van Nidek composed:
Real pity. Repair System gone, Sax2 gone. What else is now missing?
Probably doesn't affect many users, but non-default screen colors and properly functioning mc on tty[1-6] are gone since bug http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584493 filed more than 4 months before 11.3 release was apparently ignored. Because of that and sub-systems (e.g. X) impact from immature KMS, my systems that were scheduled for upgrade from 11.0 to 11.3 have now been upgraded to 11.2 instead. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 11:33 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/07/27 16:10 (GMT-0400) Edward Diener composed:
pistazienfresser wrote:
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, I have never seen that, but it would really be good of OpenSUSE, and other Linux installations, to add such effective functionlity.
It was removed only recently: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-05/msg00407.html
;( It has worked for me in a number of instances. Like making a new initrd for the system hardware. Which involves detecting what drivers are needed, not just the build. Too bad. Of course, if it was not maintained, then it is surely safer to remove it before it starts doing damage. Too bad. I wonder if the 'Update' option would have a similar effect. OK, it will do an update. But doesn't part of the update check that all is ok? And if you use it on an original 11.3 install, it must update it to, well, 11.3. Just hoping here. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, there is no such option for the 11.3 DVD. There is a Rescue System to which one can go. I guess I will have to try the Rescue System and grub commands if I can figure out what to mount and where the 'grub' shell or 'grub-install' resides once I login as root. Till 11.2 and before I used GRUB2 form Ubuntu I that just
worked for me.
Or try some of the five other possibilities listed there (I was just content with the repair option): http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susebootfive.html ?
Method 1) and 4) do not work for the 11.3 DVD since there is no Repair System. Method 2) does not apply when having to re-initialize grub. I will follow the instructions for method 3). I tried SGD but it is too confusing and arcane for me. When I asked it to show all grub systems it showed a menu of Linux systems with no indication which referred to what partition. Perhaps there is a way to get it to show the individual partitions. Thanks for your help ! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 28/07/10 04:23, Edward Diener wrote:
On 7/27/2010 5:11 AM, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 27/07/10 03:45, Edward Diener wrote:
I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
Is there not still the option to repair the bootloader on the openSUSE 11.3 DVD?
No, there is no such option for the 11.3 DVD. There is a Rescue System to which one can go. I guess I will have to try the Rescue System and grub commands if I can figure out what to mount and where the 'grub' shell or 'grub-install' resides once I login as root. Sorry, I leaned that after my posting here - being a bit cautions I am still happy with 11.2.
Till 11.2 and before I used GRUB2 form Ubuntu I that just
worked for me.
Or try some of the five other possibilities listed there (I was just content with the repair option): http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susebootfive.html ?
Method 1) <"Boot the installed system from the Installation DVD [except for <11.0]:
do not work for the 11.3 DVD since there is no Repair
System. Method 2) does not apply when having to re-initialize grub. I will follow the instructions for method 3).
I tried SGD but it is too confusing and arcane for me. When I asked it to show all grub systems it showed a menu of Linux systems with no indication which referred to what partition. Perhaps there is a way to get it to show the individual partitions.
Thanks for your help !
Hope it was any! Good Luck, pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE 11.2 with GNOME 2.28.2 (or KDE 4.3.5) and Kernel Linux 2.6.31.12-0.2-pae (or default, Ubuntu 10.4 LTS 'lucid' 2.6.33-22-genetic, MS Win XP) - Samsung X20 Pentium M 740 (1730 MHz) Intel 915GM 1400x1050 - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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I am running OS 11.3 and I want to create a boot CD so that if my boot partition is moved I can still boot from the boot CD and re-initialize grub again. Is there some easy to use utility which will enable me to do this ?
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Edward Diener -
Felix Miata -
James Knott -
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Roger Oberholtzer -
Thomas Taylor