[opensuse] Thunderbird vs. Kontact vs. Evolution
Hey to all, I am just looking for opinions from people that have used these programs, and how you might compare them. I am using thunderbird right now, but I find it very difficult to configure the GUI fonts. At the same time, I really like the ability to keep messages from the same thread together in my inbox or other folders, and thunderbird is far superior to outlook's handling of this. I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, besides my calendar, tasks, and address book. I started using thunderbird only because I am moderately familiar with it. Any advice, and info on common problems you may have encountered, would be most helpful. Thanks George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The software you currently use is a PIM, meaning not only is it an email client, it also has calendaring, tasks, etc. Thunderbird is just an email client. Kontact is just a contact manager. Of the software you mention, Evolution would be the best suited for you. Being a die-hard Outlook user, if you ignore the limitations in Evolution (mainly no Exchange 2007 or 2010 support) I think Evolution is a great replacement for Outlook. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.08.2011 06:41, schrieb Joaquin Sosa:
The software you currently use is a PIM, meaning not only is it an email client, it also has calendaring, tasks, etc.
Thunderbird is just an email client. Kontact is just a contact manager.
Of the software you mention, Evolution would be the best suited for you. Being a die-hard Outlook user, if you ignore the limitations in Evolution (mainly no Exchange 2007 or 2010 support) I think Evolution is a great replacement for Outlook.
As is Thunderbird with Lightning. Just wanted to clarify that option is available with TB as well. The remaining is personal choice. And I'm sure KDE people will tell you that Kontact is integrated with KMail and their calendar thing (whatever it's called). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/26/2011 12:41 PM, Joaquin Sosa wrote:
The software you currently use is a PIM, meaning not only is it an email client, it also has calendaring, tasks, etc.
Thunderbird is just an email client. Kontact is just a contact manager.
Of the software you mention, Evolution would be the best suited for you. Being a die-hard Outlook user, if you ignore the limitations in Evolution (mainly no Exchange 2007 or 2010 support) I think Evolution is a great replacement for Outlook.
When I read everyone's response, and couple it with other emails in the list that I see, here is basically what I come up with: Thunderbird is great, has the fewest problems, though it does crash for some people. And it takes some tweaking to get used to it. Kmail is powerful and works well, but it has "gremlins" which are slow to resolve, and can make the whole system unusable, as mine has so far in my trial with not being able to connect to any IMAP server, and not issuing any error message to help with troubleshooting. Evolution would require me to switch to GNOME, and I am not yet prepared to do that. If I really need familiarity with Outlook style this is the one to go with, but I am not sure that is necessary at this point. Great to hear everyone's responses, and I will keep on working on this. It is never really over! George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/26/2011 07:02 PM, George OLson pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 08/26/2011 12:41 PM, Joaquin Sosa wrote:
The software you currently use is a PIM, meaning not only is it an email client, it also has calendaring, tasks, etc.
Thunderbird is just an email client. Kontact is just a contact manager.
Of the software you mention, Evolution would be the best suited for you. Being a die-hard Outlook user, if you ignore the limitations in Evolution (mainly no Exchange 2007 or 2010 support) I think Evolution is a great replacement for Outlook.
When I read everyone's response, and couple it with other emails in the list that I see, here is basically what I come up with:
Thunderbird is great, has the fewest problems, though it does crash for some people. And it takes some tweaking to get used to it.
Kmail is powerful and works well, but it has "gremlins" which are slow to resolve, and can make the whole system unusable, as mine has so far in my trial with not being able to connect to any IMAP server, and not issuing any error message to help with troubleshooting.
Evolution would require me to switch to GNOME,
Actually no you don't. Installing evolution will bring along many gnome applications but evolution can run just fine in KDE, I have run it in the past.
and I am not yet prepared to do that. If I really need familiarity with Outlook style this is the one to go with, but I am not sure that is necessary at this point.
Great to hear everyone's responses, and I will keep on working on this. It is never really over!
George
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Hi I'm currently using both Kontact and Thunderbird, and to me, Kontact is far superior over the latter. Clearer layout, easy setup, everything just does what it's supposed to do. Thunderbird crashes a lot in my experience. It's the difference between a mature, well designed application and something that's still looking for the finishing touches. I've used Evolution before, but that's many years ago, so I won't comment on that. I guess it's evolved since then.
Hey to all,
I am just looking for opinions from people that have used these programs, and how you might compare them. I am using thunderbird right now, but I find it very difficult to configure the GUI fonts. At the same time, I really like the ability to keep messages from the same thread together in my inbox or other folders, and thunderbird is far superior to outlook's handling of this.
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, besides my calendar, tasks, and address book. I started using thunderbird only because I am moderately familiar with it.
Any advice, and info on common problems you may have encountered, would be most helpful.
Thanks George
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On 26/08/11 15:35, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Hi
I'm currently using both Kontact and Thunderbird, and to me, Kontact is far superior over the latter. Clearer layout, easy setup, everything just does what it's supposed to do.
Thunderbird crashes a lot in my experience.
Absolutely fascinating, I have been using Thunderbird since it was knee high to a grasshopper, and have never used anything else, and it has never crashed on me. I am now using Thunderbird #6 and it has not once tarnished its image on this system (oS 11.4 with KDE 4.7.x). [pruned] BC -- "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin said the following on 08/26/2011 02:14 AM:
On 26/08/11 15:35, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Hi
I'm currently using both Kontact and Thunderbird, and to me, Kontact is far superior over the latter. Clearer layout, easy setup, everything just does what it's supposed to do.
Thunderbird crashes a lot in my experience.
Absolutely fascinating, I have been using Thunderbird since it was knee high to a grasshopper, and have never used anything else, and it has never crashed on me. I am now using Thunderbird #6 and it has not once tarnished its image on this system (oS 11.4 with KDE 4.7.x).
I agree. I've had problems with TB and FF, but they would be the same problems as under Windows: the plug-ins not being kept up to date by external developers or causing compatibility problems. Decades ago I had conversion problems but now I use IMAP so my mail lives on a dedicated mail server, and old, low powered machine that runs fetchmail, procmail, spamassassin and dovecot. It doesn't matter whether I use TB, Kmail, Evolution or borrow a Windows machine and run Outlook. I'm insured against future changes and any mistakes I make when upgrading or changing my mail reader. I can swap mail readers, I can use more than one mail reader. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Although I do have Lightening, I make ore use of GoogleCalendar simply because I have to deal with other people and the shared calendar is very useful. GoogleCalendar can also stack calendars :-) I realise that using Windows tends to make one view things the way that Microsoft does it all, and one of the things about Linux is that it offers so many alternatives. its not just about TB vs K vs Evo or the PM suites, but about the ability to mix and match outside a package use other tools. Under Linux its so easy to set up a database and LDAP as your addressbook and all of a sudden you are not tied in to any one reader. Yes you _could_ do that with Windows but its so easy under Linux. This isn't an "either/or" question. This isn't about how to slice the cake fairly. It's not even about making the cake bigger. Its somewhere out there between "How many cakes do you want" and a factory for producing cakes. And that's before we start talking about the cloud .... "There's more than one way to do it". And yes, for many Windows users who are used to being spoon-fed, used to having their decisions made or them, used to a limited set of choices, this freedom is scary. You are now responsible for your decisions.. -- Virtually every major technological advance in the history of the human species-- back to the invention of stone tools and the domestication of fire-- has been ethically ambiguous. --Carl Sagan (The Demon-Haunted World) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
George OLson wrote:
Hey to all,
I am just looking for opinions from people that have used these programs, and how you might compare them. I am using thunderbird right now, but I find it very difficult to configure the GUI fonts. At the same time, I really like the ability to keep messages from the same thread together in my inbox or other folders, and thunderbird is far superior to outlook's handling of this.
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, besides my calendar, tasks, and address book. I started using thunderbird only because I am moderately familiar with it.
Any advice, and info on common problems you may have encountered, would be most helpful.
I use Thunderbird for private and business email. I don't recognise your issue wrt fonts - I don't think I've ever fiddled with fonts in Thunderbird. I've never used Outlook myself, but I have occasionally helped a customer migrate away. AFAIR, you're likely to only be able to import old email. Even for that, you'll need to lok for third-party utilities as the PST format, is not, to my knowledge, publicly available. Calendar - I use Lightning, works very well for my needs. Somebody mentioned TB crashing - well, it doesn't on my system. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 26.08.2011 08:17, schrieb Per Jessen:
George OLson wrote:
Hey to all,
I am just looking for opinions from people that have used these programs, and how you might compare them. I am using thunderbird right now, but I find it very difficult to configure the GUI fonts. At the same time, I really like the ability to keep messages from the same thread together in my inbox or other folders, and thunderbird is far superior to outlook's handling of this.
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, besides my calendar, tasks, and address book. I started using thunderbird only because I am moderately familiar with it.
Any advice, and info on common problems you may have encountered, would be most helpful. I use Thunderbird for private and business email. I don't recognise your issue wrt fonts - I don't think I've ever fiddled with fonts in Thunderbird. I've never used Outlook myself, but I have occasionally helped a customer migrate away. AFAIR, you're likely to only be able to import old email. Even for that, you'll need to lok for third-party utilities as the PST format, is not, to my knowledge, publicly available.
Calendar - I use Lightning, works very well for my needs.
Somebody mentioned TB crashing - well, it doesn't on my system.
me too. I love using Thunderbird, and my adventure with Evolution ends up in a comeback to Thunderbird. I like it because there so many add-ons for it and the handling is really intuitive and easy to handle. And yes, I like the filter-functions. Kontact? Well, I use it for my calendar but for e-mail... well I´m just to happy with Thunderbird and never change a running system .. ehm.. mailreader! ;-) AFAIK there isn´t any _good_ option for migration from MS Outlook on both Kontact and Evolution (correct me if I´m wrong!), and Thunderbird is the most Outlook-like e-mailreader I know (Apart from using Outlook/Windows Live Mail/Windows Mail in Wine...) So, I would suggest you to give the other mail readers a fair chance. Install them, test them, create your own opinion about it and post it here. That´s the way I would do it. And, quite frankly, it´s a good thing to do when it´s raining dogs and cats and you don´t know what to next. good luck! may the mail readers be with you! ;-) -kdl - -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOV9pkAAoJEIvl+D/SbuwJvw0H/3VSmrY4DNpF7Xbdc6NEEAGU fQzs2I5xfr0WgE4mwiuIIdWgjEYWbkary4C6U5erR/rw447JEKY+JRRrFf/X7FE9 eH/+kBtipYEW2xn3HUgWKKIa2uzMyf1vusN+OGy0SVWimQkeg+vX3PO5a9L4LAPF 0nkmtVqQoyJLs16w7TQPAMUUlJ1c/Gwkm5i4ARjC4tmpu6QPNa3wviy08aTiTpUB 2tjSyh5V00W7tXbefGw8KTftDCGrmNRvqOjeZXLzaenhPut9Kz3AwdHYJMieFmSP 854tqem7ASFzgozKDeU5ZOl7C5Tky1UKDTOM+Xm1Jn2mNh6e3diQ9SpnQolWvuI= =5Lo5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
So, I would suggest you to give the other mail readers a fair chance. Install them, test them, create your own opinion about it and post it here. That´s the way I would do it. And, quite frankly, it´s a good thing to do when it´s raining dogs and cats and you don´t know what to next.
Could not agree more. I switched to TB from PMMail (a legacy from way back in the 90s when I was an OS/2 aficionado) some 3-4 years ago. I could have spent more time trying out other mailreaders, but TB was Mozilla so had to come first :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.7°C) - major storm coming. Seal all hatches. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26/08/11 14:25, George OLson wrote:
Hey to all,
I am just looking for opinions from people that have used these programs, and how you might compare them. I am using thunderbird right now, but I find it very difficult to configure the GUI fonts.
I should have answered this earlier. There are 3 things you should do to handle fonts: 1) as an ex-MS user you can import the fonts used there into your installation; or you can, using the Software Manager, import the fonts; 2) in Gecko>System Settings>Application Appearance>Fonts set the fonts you want to use and also set the Anti-Aliasing properties; 3) in Thunderbird, use Edit>Preferences>Display>Advanced to set the fonts you want. Keep in mind that some fonts are designed to appear better in PRINT (on a printer) and NOT on a monitor's screen. You can look at what these are by looking up the wikipedia or doing a <shudder> "google". I can give you a list of the fonts which I use as a starting point if you ask me (and I'll send you this in private mail).
At the same time, I really like the ability to keep messages from the same thread together in my inbox or other folders, and thunderbird is far superior to outlook's handling of this.
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email,
TB will import this mail. However, I am not totally sure about the calendar etc which you mention directly below although I do believe that there are extensions for TB available which will do this.
besides my calendar, tasks, and address book. I started using thunderbird only because I am moderately familiar with it.
Any advice, and info on common problems you may have encountered, would be most helpful.
Thanks George
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Basil Chupin wrote:
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email,
TB will import this mail.
Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, TB will import this mail. Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools. BC -- "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, TB will import this mail. Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that). /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, TB will import this mail. Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per
I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter the application from which I want to import the old mail etc. BC -- "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, TB will import this mail. Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per
I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter the application from which I want to import the old mail etc.
And Outlook is also listed? Guess I'll have to upgrade, I'm on TB2 and -3. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26/08/11 19:31, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
> I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all > my old email, TB will import this mail. Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote: the application from which I want to import the old mail etc. And Outlook is also listed? Guess I'll have to upgrade, I'm on TB2 and -3.
Perhaps a slight clarification is necessary here: there is no drop-down menu with choices but there is a box where you enter the application from which you want the items to be imported. Because I have never had to use this Import option I cannot explain further. I can only suggest that you "suck it and see" for yourself - nothing to lose, eh? BC -- "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 19:31, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
>> I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import >> all my old email, > TB will import this mail. Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote: the application from which I want to import the old mail etc. And Outlook is also listed? Guess I'll have to upgrade, I'm on TB2 and -3.
Perhaps a slight clarification is necessary here: there is no drop-down menu with choices but there is a box where you enter the application from which you want the items to be imported.
Hmm, I get the box, but I can't enter anything, it's not exactly free-form text :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 27/08/11 03:31, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 19:31, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote: > Basil Chupin wrote: > >>> I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import >>> all my old email, >> TB will import this mail. > Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an > option. See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote: the application from which I want to import the old mail etc. And Outlook is also listed? Guess I'll have to upgrade, I'm on TB2 and -3. Perhaps a slight clarification is necessary here: there is no drop-down menu with choices but there is a box where you enter the application from which you want the items to be imported. Hmm, I get the box, but I can't enter anything, it's not exactly free-form text :-)
(OK, I'll give it one more shot for luck :-) .) Have you looked at this: http://www.howtoforge.com/importing_outlook_express_into_thunderbird_evoluti... ? BC -- "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 27/08/11 03:31, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 19:31, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote: > On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote: >> Basil Chupin wrote: >> >>>> I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import >>>> all my old email, >>> TB will import this mail. >> Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such >> an option. > See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools. > Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter the application from which I want to import the old mail etc. And Outlook is also listed? Guess I'll have to upgrade, I'm on TB2 and -3. Perhaps a slight clarification is necessary here: there is no drop-down menu with choices but there is a box where you enter the application from which you want the items to be imported. Hmm, I get the box, but I can't enter anything, it's not exactly free-form text :-)
(OK, I'll give it one more shot for luck :-) .)
Have you looked at this: http://www.howtoforge.com/importing_outlook_express_into_thunderbird_evoluti... ?
I did, but it appears to be Windows-only. On Windows, my understanding is that one can use the MAPI interface to manipulate the contents of a PST file. It looks like open source MAPI implementations are slowly gaining speed, but perhaps not quite there yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_Application_Programming_Interface#Ope... Thanks for your efforts, Basil :-) /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 26 August 2011 3:01:33 pm Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 18:38, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 17:45, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
> I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all > my old email,
TB will import this mail.
Are you sure Basil? I haven't tried, but I could do with such an option.
See attached screenshot of the Import option in TB's Tools.
Try selecting "Mail"->"Next", and you'll see that the only option is from "Communicator 4.1" (or something like that).
/Per
I am using TB #6 and do not see the above: I see the option to enter the application from which I want to import the old mail etc.
And Outlook is also listed? Guess I'll have to upgrade, I'm on TB2 and -3.
AFAIK, outlook appears in the list of applications when the TB is installed on windows. I've never seen outlook as an option in TB on linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello On 26.8.2011 06:25, George OLson wrote:
Hey to all,
I am just looking for opinions from people that have used these programs, and how you might compare them. I am using thunderbird right now, but I find it very difficult to configure the GUI fonts. At the same time, I really like the ability to keep messages from the same thread together in my inbox or other folders, and thunderbird is far superior to outlook's handling of this.
I am migrating over from MS Outlook, and would like to import all my old email, besides my calendar, tasks, and address book. I started using thunderbird only because I am moderately familiar with it.
Any advice, and info on common problems you may have encountered, would be most helpful.
Thanks George
At work I have to use Outlook (because of MS Exchange) and it is the worst PIM I have tried. :-) I don't like it's way of viewing messages, I wish normal threads as are in KMail / TB / Evolution. :-) I was long time using KDE PIM (KMail, Kontact, KAddressbook, ...) and it worked very well. KMail had only problems with big IMAP folders. And I do not have experience with recent KMail 2. There were also issues with syncing of contacts and calendar with Google, but I'm not sure how is it now. Anyway, it is very good software. :-) Now I'm using Thunderbird with Lightning extension for calendar and it works fine. Because of often releases of new versions I have issues with not working add-ons ("plain" TB doesn't fulfill my needs;-), but again, it works fine. And if You are using GMail, TB is only supported software on Linux, so when You upload an email there using IMAP, it will have correct date and time, this doesn't work with KMail (might be it works in KMail 2, but I don't suppose so) or Evolution. Well, I don't use GMail for mails because it doesn't fulfill my needs :-) And everywhere, if You have mail in GMail tagged by multiple labels, it will be downloaded in every respective IMAP folder as independent mail. It is IMHO silly implementation of IMAP by Google... (no flame, please...;-) And on one older computer I have Ubuntu and Evolution. It works fine, it does everything I'd need and I didn't encounter any main issue. But I didn't work with it so much. So, all of those 3 apps work fine, it's on You personal opinion what to use. :-) About importing, IMHO the easiest way is to do it over IMAP. Good luck! Vojtěch - -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/cs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOV0IGAAoJEPuT69b4zaO5Ni0IAMFXL81FzT9qY2sAXxdR5epN JH7qfrzaJQKXz5ddVR3mO/Nz6OI1ebI/HkOIhG/ohA7z+YXAQCkmvgg7Z0RMUh2m wpVVhk1DjnsSV9HrfmDzXjgb2CnCr8K4hj6GSWu/ZS5k7SK0j8IbO+SZvQurqu5q D3jzelyFWzh6ieWLgT9H83dYrWYpoJavpxJWfm/Ydjuyxw5fflmj9t6eF0TACrMB Sna9cNvKCD3qMbiqsotYc54wmo9vlT0OnNZmjY5Qs10NRtfbO8vAL0DaFsxm2lcB IbJWDmerQQGRGC5gm36l6H3wMYVbfskAZgHfnj4l2oFJs6KUb0y2GmWY0zDpGzM= =Bs7v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26/08/11 16:49, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote: [pruned]
Because of often releases of new versions I have issues with not working add-ons ("plain" TB doesn't fulfill my needs;-),
I am using Thunderbird #6 and Firefox #9.x. There is an extension called *Add-on* *Compatibility* *Reporter*, available for TB and FF, which makes all of *MY* extensions I have working in these versions of TB and FF. However, your mileage may vary but it shouldn't stop you from trying out ACR. BC -- "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Reagan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26/08/11 08:19, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 16:49, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
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Because of often releases of new versions I have issues with not working add-ons ("plain" TB doesn't fulfill my needs;-), I am using Thunderbird #6 and Firefox #9.x.
There is an extension called *Add-on* *Compatibility* *Reporter*, available for TB and FF, which makes all of *MY* extensions I have working in these versions of TB and FF.
However, your mileage may vary but it shouldn't stop you from trying out ACR.
BC
IMHO, neither Kontact nor Evolution are even remotely comparable to Thunderbird + Lightning. Kontact/KMail still does not offer proper support for HTML formatted email - which is a must for any serious office use (try explaining your boss why your reply to his carefully formatter email messed up everything) - because its developers "are not interested" in addressing this issue. I've tried using Evolution against the corporate MS Exchange server (and now the BPOS server in the cloud) several times over the last 8 years, and each time found the same issues - is too slow, often hangs, and crashy to put it mildly. On the other hand, Thunderbird + Lightning is the only combination that just works. Sane interface, fast filters, proper support for HTML formatted email, integrated calendaring, and definitely more stable than either Kmail or Evolution. -- Regards, Vadym -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 08/26/2011 04:16 PM, Vadym Krevs wrote:
On 26/08/11 08:19, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 26/08/11 16:49, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
[pruned]
Because of often releases of new versions I have issues with not working add-ons ("plain" TB doesn't fulfill my needs;-), I am using Thunderbird #6 and Firefox #9.x.
There is an extension called *Add-on* *Compatibility* *Reporter*, available for TB and FF, which makes all of *MY* extensions I have working in these versions of TB and FF.
However, your mileage may vary but it shouldn't stop you from trying out ACR.
BC
IMHO, neither Kontact nor Evolution are even remotely comparable to Thunderbird + Lightning. Kontact/KMail still does not offer proper support for HTML formatted email - which is a must for any serious office use (try explaining your boss why your reply to his carefully formatter email messed up everything) - because its developers "are not interested" in addressing this issue. I've tried using Evolution against the corporate MS Exchange server (and now the BPOS server in the cloud) several times over the last 8 years, and each time found the same issues - is too slow, often hangs, and crashy to put it mildly.
On the other hand, Thunderbird + Lightning is the only combination that just works. Sane interface, fast filters, proper support for HTML formatted email, integrated calendaring, and definitely more stable than either Kmail or Evolution.
Thank you to everyone for offering your opinions. Those are all very helpful and give me lots to think about. I will probably run TB and Kontact concurrently for some time until I figure out which one I want to stick with. Thanks again!! George -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Per Jessen -
Vadym Krevs -
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