This is quite rude. Some people..a lot of people on this list do not speak/write English as their first language and just may have some trouble doing so. I can understand what they are asking, so I would think that others could as well. I'm not much of a modem person since I haven't used one in years..but I am sure that someone can help this person. * Karol Pietrzak (noodlez84@earthlink.net) [010927 16:31]: ->On 26 Sep 2001, agc wrote: -> ->> I am on a toshiba atellite 1750, I have suse linux 7.1, well I am trying ->> to use the modem with kdial, but Iam getting this error msg: can not find ->> /dev/modem, and thisother one: /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can not be ->> read...so what should I do... Idonothave idea about linx, I know aboutwin ->> and as a matter of fact the modemis working fine under win2000 but no way ->> unser linux, plese give me a hand, cheers -> ->If you want responses, do this: -> o re-write this message, using correct punctuation (everything ->in this one is _one_ sentence) and spelling ("Idonothave" is not ->a word) -> o divide it up into well constructed paragraphs (albeit short ->ones) -> o tell us what version of the software you are using... -> o change the subject line to something more descriptive like ->"Toshiba Satellite 1750 modem configuration" -> ->-- ->noodlez: Karol Pietrzak ->PGP KeyID: 0x3A1446A0 -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com -> -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

On Thursday 27 September 2001 11:53 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

This is quite rude. Some people..a lot of people on this list do not speak/write English as their first language and just may have some trouble doing so. I can understand what they are asking, so I would think that others could as well.

I'm not much of a modem person since I haven't used one in years..but I am sure that someone can help this person.

* Karol Pietrzak (noodlez84@earthlink.net) [010927 16:31]: ->On 26 Sep 2001, agc wrote: -> ->> I am on a toshiba atellite 1750, I have suse linux 7.1, well I am trying ->> to use the modem with kdial, but Iam getting this error msg: can not find ->> /dev/modem, and thisother one: /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can not be ->> read...so what should I do... Idonothave idea about linx, I know aboutwin ->> and as a matter of fact the modemis working fine under win2000 but no way ->> unser linux, plese give me a hand, cheers -> ->If you want responses, do this: -> o re-write this message, using correct punctuation (everything ->in this one is _one_ sentence) and spelling ("Idonothave" is not ->a word) -> o divide it up into well constructed paragraphs (albeit short ->ones) -> o tell us what version of the software you are using... -> o change the subject line to something more descriptive like ->"Toshiba Satellite 1750 modem configuration"

I agree with Ben's comments. I'm assuming that you have a PCMCIA modem. If this is the case, the device should be available as /dev/modem. However, you need to make sure that PCMCIA service is running. Maybe START_PCMCIA in /etc/rc.config is set to 'no'. Try the following as 'su root'. mw290364@lagothrix:~ > su root Password: root@lagothrix:/home/mw290364 >rcpcmcia start This is SuSE 7.2 syntax. If it's incorrect I'll dig out my SuSE 7.2 handbook. Let us know how you get on. M -- Martin Webster Registered Linux User #230322 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/spider-monkey/

On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 07:50:29PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

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On Thursday 27 September 2001 11:53 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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This is quite rude. Some people..a lot of people on this list do not speak/write English as their first language and just may have some trouble doing so. I can understand what they are asking, so I would think that others could as well.

I think it is a lot more than quite rude, it is disgusting. It is fine to ask people to try and format their messages better and use meaningful subject headers, but to criticise

On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 03:08:59PM +0000, Martin Webster wrote: their english is just racist. I wonder how many foreign languages the complainant has mastered to the extent that he could pose a technical enquiry on a mailing list.

He should apologise.

Ditto. Luckily I missed the original post. -- Corvin Russell

I am not criticizing anyone's English (English is technically my second language as well). Not once did I use the phrase "bad English", although I certainly inferred it. It just kills me when someone's problem will have go unnoticed because the poster spelled Linux "linx", Satellite "atellite", and under "unser". My post started with "If you want responses, do this:", and _that_ was the intent of my post, to simply generate responses to a problem. Frankly, I have seen native speakers write just as incogently when in a rush. On 28 Sep 2001, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

I think it is a lot more than quite rude, it is disgusting. It is fine to ask people to try and format their messages better and use meaningful subject headers, but to criticise their english is just racist. I wonder how many foreign languages the complainant has mastered to the extent that he could pose a technical enquiry on a mailing list.

He should apologise.

I don't know if you missed this, but I responded to the first criticism of my post with "If I truly did sound rude, I apologize." If anyone still feels I was discourteous, please feel free to email me. I'd hate to have ill will against me on SLE, as I plan on staying here for a while. -- noodlez: Karol Pietrzak PGP KeyID: 0x3A1446A0

On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 12:18:26AM -0400, Paul Abrahams wrote:

Generally speaking it's inconsiderate to berate people for poor English. But on the other hand, someone who writes English poorly can't reasonably expect others to put a lot of work into understanding his (or her) posts.

Paul

I disagree. English is perhaps the lingua franca of the net but for many people it is not their first or even their second language. I think it is worth making the effort to understand what someone is trying to ask and to help if you can. There is a whole world of Linux users outside of America you know. Since it is well known that Americans come bottom of all surveys concerning the learning of other languages they might at least try to understand other people's attempts at explaining themselves in english. -- Regards Cliff

Hi

Most foreigners are taught 'correct' (RP) English, after all; or its US equivalent; if they are presented with a text that is heavy on the idiom and carelessly written, their understanding of it will be partial at best.

I agree.. English is my third language, and sometimes I have hard time figuring out what people actually mean. I need to read the sentence several times, and still aren't able to get the deepest meaning.

can understand poor English in non-native speakers, the poor usage of English by Brits and Yanks is not merely lazy; it is also selfish, insofar as it makes it *more* difficult for non-native speakers to understand us.)

These kind of message-lists are a good place for us to learn more. Many times I learn new words/phrases just by reading, if I understand what it says. Jaakko Tamminen Finland

Only thing I don't understand about all this is, this post is OT and in the past I have seen numerous people throw fits because of off topic post, and most were dirrected towards someone I know, but now all the sudden the people in question are not complaining about OT! it's a rediculous world. Not asking for a flame, just venting just like Gideon was. -- David M. SuSE Linux 7.1 on an i586 AIM: dmcglone27 Kernel 2.2.18 ICQ: 96210352 KDE-2.2.1 Proud Registered Linux user 226218 ====================================== On Wednesday 03 October 2001 07:31 am, you wrote:

On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:16:41AM +0000, Gideon Hallett wrote:

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On Wednesday 03 October 2001 07:24, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

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On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 12:18:26AM -0400, Paul Abrahams wrote:

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Generally speaking it's inconsiderate to berate people for poor English. But on the other hand, someone who writes English poorly can't reasonably expect others to put a lot of work into understanding his (or her) posts.

I disagree. English is perhaps the lingua franca of the net but for many people it is not their first or even their second language.

I don't think that Paul is talking about non-native speakers in this case.

Truth be told, I don't think there is any other language abused as badly by people who *ought* to be able to speak it perfectly. The number of native English (and American) speakers who pay no attention to syntax and spelling is staggering - and their sloppyCliff Sarginson usage makes it doubly difficult for those who *don't* speak it as a first language.

Most foreigners are taught 'correct' (RP) English, after all; or its US equivalent; if they are presented with a text that is heavy on the idiom and carelessly written, their understanding of it will be partial at best.

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I think it is worth making the effort to understand what someone is trying to ask and to help if you can. There is a whole world of Linux users outside of America you know. Since it is well known that Americans come bottom of all surveys concerning the learning of other languages they might at least try to understand other people's attempts at explaining themselves in english.

Certainly; but the onus is *also* on them to use their own language correctly!

(This may seem to be a fuss about nothing, but it's a pet dislike; in my 10 years online, I've seen the standard of written English plummet. While I can understand poor English in non-native speakers, the poor usage of English by Brits and Yanks is not merely lazy; it is also selfish, insofar as it makes it *more* difficult for non-native speakers to understand us.)

Sorry for venting that!

Gideon Hallett.

Oh, I agree with most of what you say. I was pleading for tolerance of people for whom english is a struggle.

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:08, Jack Malone wrote:

I will have to admit that english is my native language an I have sent out some messages with some spelling mistakes an with bad sentence structors ect ect. I tend to type to fast sometimes an then not go back an proof read what I have typed before I send it out. I'm trying to do better at this.

OK - let's correct THIS one, just for fun... Error 1: It's "structures", not "structors" Error 2: It's "etc", not "ect" Error 3: It's "and", not "an" - as in '... type fast sometimes an then not go back an proof read...' And this from a "native" english speaker ? My point, with tongue inserted firmly in cheek here, is that even a NATIVE english speaker (which I am as well) can make mistakes - I'm less tollerant of poor grammar ans spelling than most people I correspond with, especially if it's from NATIVE english speakers. Give the "non-Natives" a fair go, hey ? You ought to see what a hash I make of German at times (I know enough to get my face slapped - and do on occasion !!) Jon Sydney, Australia

On Wednesday 03 October 2001 22:40 pm, Jon Biddell wrote:

On Wed,  3 Oct 2001 23:08, Jack Malone wrote:

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 I will have to admit that english is my native language an I have sent out some messages with some spelling mistakes an with bad sentence structors ect ect. I tend to type to fast sometimes an then not go back an proof read what I have typed before I send it out. I'm trying to do better at this.

OK - let's correct THIS one, just for fun...

Error 1: It's "structures", not "structors" Error 2: It's "etc", not "ect" Error 3: It's "and", not "an" - as in '... type fast sometimes an then not go back an proof read...'

And this from a "native" english speaker ?

You missed 'too' - "I tend to type to fast" -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 10/04/01 01:55 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "I took an IQ test and the results were negative."

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OK - let's correct THIS one, just for fun...

Error 1: It's "structures", not "structors" Error 2: It's "etc", not "ect" Error 3: It's "and", not "an" - as in '... type fast sometimes an then not go back an proof read...'

And this from a "native" english speaker ?

You missed 'too' - "I tend to type to fast"

Oh, bugger off....:-) I got the biggest laugh from this last night. I was waiting to see who was going to correct my mistakes.

On Thursday 04 October 2001 22:02, David McGlone wrote:

Only thing I don't understand about all this is, this post is OT and in the past I have seen numerous people throw fits because of off topic post, and most were dirrected towards someone I know, but now all the sudden the people in question are not complaining about OT!

it's a rediculous world.

Not asking for a flame, just venting just like Gideon was.

Oh yeah...getting WAYYY off-topic. -- Ron Sinclair @ http://www.wigglit.com