On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Sven Burmeister
Really?, if I remember correctly, 11.0 defaulted to 3.5, so no forcing. 11.1 provides KDE3 alongside KDE4 so no forcing either, apart from the fact that 4.*0* was only part of 11.0, yet even 4.1 was not forced on anyone using openSUSE and not fedora.
No, there was no default in 11.0. However, KDE4 was "higher" on the list then KDE3, and since it said 4 and 4 is bigger than 3, some people thought that it meant it was better and ignored the descriptions. Also, there were only "official" livecds with KDE4(and gnome). And, a lot of the ones on this list who had already updated the 11.0's KDE to 4.1.x that talked about all the fixes forgot about all the end users who had no idea how to setup the build service or any clue it was even there. The users on this list aren't the only ones who use openSUSE. Further, at no time did I mention "force". The OP said:
For me, KDE4 looks to be not worth the learning curve. Since KDE4 forces me to learn *something* new and less usable than KDE3 it seems worth considering Gnome.
Therefore, it wasn't about being "forced" to use it, it was about being "forced" to learn how to "use it". I pointed out that even Linus, who has bashed Gnome in the past, has decided it's better than KDE4.x. Me? I'll just stick with 11.0/KDE3. While you and others seem to love KDE4, it's not been so universally accepted by everyone. I asked that 11.1 be delayed for 4.2, and was told no. Now, 11.2 is projected to be delayed for 4.3. If 11.1 had been on an 8 month cycle, 4.2 could have been in it and 4.3 would have been ontrack for 11.2 Unless 4.2 is pushed out as an update for the main system, then we can't just talk about how 4.2 is better or how KDE4 is better and only refer to the newer parts. Many people are still using the 4.1.x in 11.1 and will probably continue to do so. Further, as I have repeatedly said, where is the compelling reason to use KDE4? I installed 11.1/KDE4 on a system and when I tried to make the desktop folder the size of the desktop, after logging out and back in, I no longer had anything on the desktop. I PREFER to have icons on my desktop. I could care less about having different wallpapers on different virtual dkestops because I don't use it. But, for each person who likes the bling of KDE4, there is a KDE3 person that liked/used the things that KDE4 dropped and/or didn't bother to add. KDE4 isn't faster(it was slower on my desktop), it didn't use less RAM(which I proved a long time ago). And, the comparisons to KDE1/2 and KDE2/3 aren't moot because those changeovers weren't radical like KDE4. I can sit down and use KDE1, KDE2, and KDE3 easily(I have SuSE 7.3 installed on a powerbook and a thinkpad right now and could pull SuSE 5.3 out of mothballs for KDE1 anytime I want). KDE4 is baffling and overly complex, which is what they claimed they were trying to aviod! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org