On both machines on which I tried to install 8.0 pro and failed, I have successfully installed 7.3 personal. With 8.0 I was not able to get past LILO even trying boot disk and not installing LILO. With 7.3 both installed fine and useing a floppy boot disk. Only one sticking point the machine with the burner needs the IDE-scsi fix and does not play music CD's as root or user though music on the HD works fine. I assume there is a difference between /media/cdrom and /media/cdrecord . On the other box music plays just fine. My reading indicates 8.1 defaults to GRUB if there is no LILO present so at least GRUB will not have to be forced. Q: What is the difference between LILO in < 7.3 and 8.0? Q: What is the reason SUSE switched the default boot loader? Q: Is there an intrensic flaw in LILO which explains the switch? CWSIV ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!