On both machines on which I tried to install 8.0 pro and failed, I have successfully installed 7.3 personal. With 8.0 I was not able to get past LILO even trying boot disk and not installing LILO. With 7.3 both installed fine and useing a floppy boot disk. Only one sticking point the machine with the burner needs the IDE-scsi fix and does not play music CD's as root or user though music on the HD works fine. I assume there is a difference between /media/cdrom and /media/cdrecord . On the other box music plays just fine. My reading indicates 8.1 defaults to GRUB if there is no LILO present so at least GRUB will not have to be forced. Q: What is the difference between LILO in < 7.3 and 8.0? Q: What is the reason SUSE switched the default boot loader? Q: Is there an intrensic flaw in LILO which explains the switch? CWSIV ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:24:33 PDT
Carl William Spitzer IV
My reading indicates 8.1 defaults to GRUB if there is no LILO present so at least GRUB will not have to be forced.
Q: What is the difference between LILO in < 7.3 and 8.0?
Alot of improvements, most notably encrypted passwords. LILO is actively being developed, and there is a new release every few months.
Q: What is the reason SUSE switched the default boot loader?
Q: Is there an intrensic flaw in LILO which explains the switch?
From what I understand, GRUB can find the kernel all by itself, so you don't need to rerun it after any changes to the kernel. LILO needs to be run after any change to the kernel or it's name.
I still use lilo myself, probably because I'm just an old dog who dosn't want to learn new tricks. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
On Sat July 5 2003 8:05 am, zentara wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:24:33 PDT
Carl William Spitzer IV
wrote: My reading indicates 8.1 defaults to GRUB if there is no LILO present so at least GRUB will not have to be forced.
Q: What is the difference between LILO in < 7.3 and 8.0?
Alot of improvements, most notably encrypted passwords. LILO is actively being developed, and there is a new release every few months.
Q: What is the reason SUSE switched the default boot loader?
Q: Is there an intrensic flaw in LILO which explains the switch?
From what I understand, GRUB can find the kernel all by itself, so you don't need to rerun it after any changes to the kernel. LILO needs to be run after any change to the kernel or it's name.
I still use lilo myself, probably because I'm just an old dog who dosn't want to learn new tricks.
Can you or someone else help point me in the right direction fro configuring grub? I'm used to lilo as well and would like especially to set both of my IDE CD drives to use SCSI emulation. The CD burner is automatically set that way but the DVD/CD is not. Thanks, -- Jonathan Dlouhy Saturday, July 05, 2003 09:55 AM ---------------------------------------------------------------- On an electrician's truck: "Let Us Remove Your Shorts" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by SuSE 8.2
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 15:57, Jonathan Dlouhy wrote:
Can you or someone else help point me in the right direction fro configuring grub? I'm used to lilo as well and would like especially to set both of my IDE CD drives to use SCSI emulation. The CD burner is automatically set that way but the DVD/CD is not.
You're using grub now, and just need to know where to change the settings, is that right? edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, where it says something like "hdc=ide-scsi" add "hdd=ide-scsi" or whatever your DVD device is, and that's it.
It would seem that among those improvements is an inability to install
LILO on the MBR or floppy in 8.0 pro but which worked find in 7.3
personal. If grub can find the kernal what does it do if you have
multiple ones because you are testing a recompile?
CWSIV
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 08:05:47 -0400 zentara
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:24:33 PDT Carl William Spitzer IV
wrote: My reading indicates 8.1 defaults to GRUB if there is no LILO present so at least GRUB will not have to be forced.
Q: What is the difference between LILO in < 7.3 and 8.0?
Alot of improvements, most notably encrypted passwords. LILO is actively being developed, and there is a new release every few months.
Q: What is the reason SUSE switched the default boot loader?
Q: Is there an intrensic flaw in LILO which explains the switch?
From what I understand, GRUB can find the kernel all by itself, so you don't need to rerun it after any changes to the kernel. LILO needs to be run after any change to the kernel or it's name.
I still use lilo myself, probably because I'm just an old dog who dosn't want to learn new tricks.
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 15:48:34 PDT
Carl William Spitzer IV
It would seem that among those improvements is an inability to install LILO on the MBR or floppy in 8.0 pro but which worked find in 7.3 personal. If grub can find the kernal what does it do if you have multiple ones because you are testing a recompile?
I've stuck with LILO myself, and I'm certain others on the list will help you. I'm guessing that GRUB will search a specified directory and list all kernals found in the menu. The difference between LILO and GRUB goes like this: Say you have a kernel with the name, linux-2-4.21-test. You set it up to boot, and then decide to recompile to make some changes. With grub, you just copy the new kernel right in on top of the old one and you don't need to rerun grub. With lilo, even if you copy the exact same kernal name over the old one, you have to rerun lilo again, because lilo needs to know the exact position on the hard drive of the kernal file, because it boots to that position. In other words, lilo can't read the filesystem when booting. Whereas grub has enough power to use the filesystem, read the dirlist, and find the kernel. I'm sure lilo can make a boot floppy with 8.0 pro. I've never done it myself, but I'm sure the capability is still there. It's probably more of a yast2 problem. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
zentara
I'm sure lilo can make a boot floppy with 8.0 pro. I've never done it myself, but I'm sure the capability is still there. It's probably more of a yast2 problem.
Yep. I've been booting 8.0 from a LILO floppy ever since I installed it (same with 6.4 & 7.3). -rex -- "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds." -- Albert Einstein
Well it did not work on my boxes. 7.3 did. useing all the same hardware
even the same floppys.
its a glitch of unknown origin for which no rational speculation can
provide an answer.
CWSIV
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:12:14 -0700 rex
zentara
[2003-07-07 13:25]: I'm sure lilo can make a boot floppy with 8.0 pro. I've never done
it myself,
but I'm sure the capability is still there. It's probably more of a yast2 problem.
Yep. I've been booting 8.0 from a LILO floppy ever since I installed it (same with 6.4 & 7.3).
-rex -- "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds."
-- Albert Einstein
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Not on my boxes. 7.3 personal yes 8.0 pro no. I hate to say it but this
"upgrade" looks like it came from redmond. I am not overly enamored of
LILO in any case all I need is a boot loader which works even if I have
to use bootmagic or bootit.
CWSIV
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:34:51 -0400 zentara
I'm sure lilo can make a boot floppy with 8.0 pro. I've never done it
myself,
but I'm sure the capability is still there. It's probably more of a yast2 problem.
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