Kevin, you're right that the box is smaller than before but the manuals you're asking for are available as PDFs on the media. We do not have the box anymore in most of the stores. This is indeed a lost marketing way but this is both a result of a changing environment where many more users prefer to download for free (I know there are others) instead of willing to pay the box price - and a different company that does not go aggressively into the stores. We had a hard time pushing the box on the shelves in the end - and even where it is still today, you see far smaller numbers:-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126