hi, i hope any of the suse guys reading this list and would think about something like that. what i would like to see in the next releases is: - having a almost automatic dist-upgrade feature via apt or anything else - having a postfix with mysql supported rpm (year ago one of the nice and kind person from suse provided me one for 7.3 and i was quite happy with this till last month SPAM attack when my box was restored by the provide to 8.1) in the last few weeks happening: getting familiar with 8.1. realized there are no packages for: apache2-php, apache2-tomcat-connector... which were available for 8.2. i was leaded into the way of apt4rpm, which toke me a while, but yesterday been upgraded my dist to 8.2. 8.2: the ftp site does not have a very common base package for java2!!! i am expecting due to maket share (fragmentation). i guess also there are other libs not shared via ftp. All of them can be located via rpmfind like sites. 8.1 does not have ability by suse to upgrade to 8.2. they told me purchase it. ok, no dramas at all, but still would not help, coz i have only ssh access to the box! i hardly suggest to suse to think about to make their system update-able via command line tools and having any time period subscriptions for example: yearly subscription would costs as a general update (approx 50 bucks), i would buy that. apt4rpm did a brilliant job with help of Richard Bos, so if i were suse would improve apt4rpm with license handling and that's it. As far as i know suse was refusing to support apt. postfix-mysql: since i were using this form 7.2, and reading the list is always a back coming issue. i cannot see the reason have postfix2 as it is now as a rpm, and with paralel with this having a postfix2-mysql with mysql dependency and gonig on for postgresql as well :(( so these are the reason why i will re-eval debian after 2-3 years of suse usage. or keeping in my mind to follow redhat-linux happenings. best