I just switched to SuSE when 8.2 came out, so I'm new to how they work in general. However, it was my understanding that they release a new version about every 6 months. Is this true? If so, that would mean that 8.3 (or whatever) is right around the corner. Being as I also have read that SuSE plans to incorporate Ximian's Desktop 2 into the distro, I'm very excited to see it. (While I'm at it, I switched from Red Hat because of their lousy updating support. I am only interested in a new version so soon for my two main desktops. I plan on running the servers the full two years that the updates should be available. Thank you, SuSE!) Happily ready to fork over more money for another boxed set, dk
On Sunday 24 August 2003 18:27, David Krider wrote:
I just switched to SuSE when 8.2 came out, so I'm new to how they work in general. However, it was my understanding that they release a new version about every 6 months. Is this true? If so, that would mean that 8.3 (or whatever) is right around the corner.
Generally, that is true 6 to 8 months on average. I've heard rumors the next will be called 9.x for some reason, perhaps to keep numbers in line. I probably won't move up till its a 2.6 kernel. 8.1 was a bummer but 8.2 is the best release yet. I started with 7.1. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:42, John Andersen wrote:
I probably won't move up till its a 2.6 kernel. 8.1 was a bummer but 8.2 is the best release yet. I started with 7.1.
I tried 6.2 during the process of deciding to use Red Hat for several years. (It was still to "German" for me then, meaning that even though I told it not to install the German docs, it still stuck a bunch in.) RH 7.3 was awesome, and I expected things to continue in that vein. Unfortunately, they started experimenting with the consumer distro, and leaving the "enterprise" versions to be the stable platform. Since then, I have found SuSE 8.2 to be everything I expected RH 8 to have been. I briefly tried 9 to see if they were going to mend their ways, but it only got worse. So I'm a SuSE man now, at least until they so something crazy. Regards, dk
Well, anyone knows when the next version (9.0) is schedualed for release? - Jasem On Sunday 24 August 2003 09:52 pm, David Krider wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:42, John Andersen wrote:
I probably won't move up till its a 2.6 kernel. 8.1 was a bummer but 8.2 is the best release yet. I started with 7.1.
I tried 6.2 during the process of deciding to use Red Hat for several years. (It was still to "German" for me then, meaning that even though I told it not to install the German docs, it still stuck a bunch in.) RH 7.3 was awesome, and I expected things to continue in that vein. Unfortunately, they started experimenting with the consumer distro, and leaving the "enterprise" versions to be the stable platform. Since then, I have found SuSE 8.2 to be everything I expected RH 8 to have been. I briefly tried 9 to see if they were going to mend their ways, but it only got worse. So I'm a SuSE man now, at least until they so something crazy.
Regards, dk
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 24 August 2003 08:05 pm, Jasem Mutlaq wrote:
Well, anyone knows when the next version (9.0) is schedualed for release?
- Jasem
On Sunday 24 August 2003 09:52 pm, David Krider wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:42, John Andersen wrote:
I probably won't move up till its a 2.6 kernel. 8.1 was a bummer but 8.2 is the best release yet. I started with 7.1.
I tried 6.2 during the process of deciding to use Red Hat for several years. (It was still to "German" for me then, meaning that even though I told it not to install the German docs, it still stuck a bunch in.) RH 7.3 was awesome, and I expected things to continue in that vein. Unfortunately, they started experimenting with the consumer distro, and leaving the "enterprise" versions to be the stable platform. Since then, I have found SuSE 8.2 to be everything I expected RH 8 to have been. I briefly tried 9 to see if they were going to mend their ways, but it only got worse. So I'm a SuSE man now, at least until they so something crazy.
Regards, dk
After the beta testing :) Cheers, Curtis. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/SYXniqnGhdjCOJsRApmyAJ92a8XVxarx9TJQclc5oYOrSAddNwCbB49V 8cd3Uj7XP0cewTB46RwxwMA= =VG3A -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:52:58 -0500, David Krider wrote:
I tried 6.2 during the process of deciding to use Red Hat for several years. (It was still to "German" for me then, meaning that even though I told it not to install the German docs, it still stuck a bunch in.) RH 7.3 was awesome, and I expected things to continue in that vein.
Let me begin by saying I personally think Red Hat sucks. Having said that, the following may be a little unfair.
Unfortunately, they started experimenting with the consumer distro, and leaving the "enterprise" versions to be the stable platform.
The least foolish Red Hat users install only the x.3 versions. x.0 always sucks. And they get a little better with each release until they finally work out many of the bugs for x.3. People whose memories go back further than mine in the Red Hat world still swear by, I think, version 4.2. (I guess in those days, they only went to x.2.)
Since then, I have found SuSE 8.2 to be everything I expected RH 8 to have been. I briefly tried 9 to see if they were going to mend their ways, but it only got worse.
I'm really suspicious that you're speaking of the Red Hat x.0 releases. And yes, I've heard other people say that each major release has more drawbacks than its predecessor.
So I'm a SuSE man now, at least until they so something crazy.
SuSE has been my preferred distribution for a while now. I've been using it since 6.2. About the worst thing they've done in that entire time was to eliminate the original YaST; the flame wars which resulted lasted, seemingly, for months. -- David Benfell, LCP benfell@parts-unknown.org --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/resume.html
hi, i hope any of the suse guys reading this list and would think about something like that. what i would like to see in the next releases is: - having a almost automatic dist-upgrade feature via apt or anything else - having a postfix with mysql supported rpm (year ago one of the nice and kind person from suse provided me one for 7.3 and i was quite happy with this till last month SPAM attack when my box was restored by the provide to 8.1) in the last few weeks happening: getting familiar with 8.1. realized there are no packages for: apache2-php, apache2-tomcat-connector... which were available for 8.2. i was leaded into the way of apt4rpm, which toke me a while, but yesterday been upgraded my dist to 8.2. 8.2: the ftp site does not have a very common base package for java2!!! i am expecting due to maket share (fragmentation). i guess also there are other libs not shared via ftp. All of them can be located via rpmfind like sites. 8.1 does not have ability by suse to upgrade to 8.2. they told me purchase it. ok, no dramas at all, but still would not help, coz i have only ssh access to the box! i hardly suggest to suse to think about to make their system update-able via command line tools and having any time period subscriptions for example: yearly subscription would costs as a general update (approx 50 bucks), i would buy that. apt4rpm did a brilliant job with help of Richard Bos, so if i were suse would improve apt4rpm with license handling and that's it. As far as i know suse was refusing to support apt. postfix-mysql: since i were using this form 7.2, and reading the list is always a back coming issue. i cannot see the reason have postfix2 as it is now as a rpm, and with paralel with this having a postfix2-mysql with mysql dependency and gonig on for postgresql as well :(( so these are the reason why i will re-eval debian after 2-3 years of suse usage. or keeping in my mind to follow redhat-linux happenings. best
On Monday 25 August 2003 05:13 am, Zoltan Levardy wrote:
hi,
i hope any of the suse guys reading this list and would think about something like that.
what i would like to see in the next releases is: - having a almost automatic dist-upgrade feature via apt or anything else - having a postfix with mysql supported rpm (year ago one of the nice and kind person from suse provided me one for 7.3 and i was quite happy with this till last month SPAM attack when my box was restored by the provide to 8.1)
All good points, agreed. SuSE should either support apt4rpm or introduce something better in their next version. cheers, Jasem
* Zoltan Levardy;
8.2: the ftp site does not have a very common base package for java2!!! i am expecting due to maket share (fragmentation). i guess also there are other libs not shared via ftp. All of them can be located via rpmfind like sites.
I guess it has to do with license restrictions (of java vendors)
8.1 does not have ability by suse to upgrade to 8.2. they told me purchase
It does and actually this was available since 6.3 maybe earlier. I have been upgrading the boxes all the time and I have not find an issue yet. And the last one 8.2 I had a german update package which updated the International 8.1 version. -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx
Unfortunately, they started experimenting with the consumer distro, and leaving the "enterprise" versions to be the stable platform.
The least foolish Red Hat users install only the x.3 versions. x.0 always sucks. And they get a little better with each release until they finally work out many of the bugs for x.3.
Given that they are going to a new release model that doesn't have minor numbers (hence, RedHat 9 instead of 9.0) all releases are x.0 equivalent. They haven't had a minor release since 7.3. I would also agree that they are using the consumer distro for experimentation. Prime examples of that are NPTL and GCC 2.96 (you know.. they somwhere between 2.95 and 3.0 that RH put together). Of course, who knows how it's going to be now that it's going to be more of a 'project' than a real product.. -- trey
Hi guys, I bought a generic flash card reader a while back so I could access my photos using Suse. It worked fine in 8.0 but will not work in 8.2 This is the output I got in Suse 8.0 when plugging in the reader. Aug 27 17:19:39 linux kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/2, assigned device number 2 Aug 27 17:19:40 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x58f/0x9321) is not claimed by any active driver. Aug 27 17:19:40 linux kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Aug 27 17:19:40 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Aug 27 17:19:40 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 612 Aug 27 17:19:41 linux kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Aug 27 17:19:41 linux kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Aug 27 17:19:46 linux kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 106 Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: Vendor: Generic Model: USB CF Reader Rev: 2.00 Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: SCSI device sda: 93952 512-byte hdwr sectors (48 MB) Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: sda: sda1 Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 2 Aug 27 17:20:04 linux kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Aug 27 17:20:04 linux insmod: Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-4GB/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.o As you can see it worked but not immediately after plugging it in. Even though it gave a warning it still worked fine and I could read and write to it with no problems at all. However now using 8.2 I get the following. Aug 27 20:40:35 linux kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 2 Aug 27 20:40:35 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x58f/0x9321) is not claimed by any active driver. Aug 27 20:40:38 linux kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Aug 27 20:40:38 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Aug 27 20:40:38 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 859 Aug 27 20:40:39 linux kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Aug 27 20:40:39 linux kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Aug 27 20:40:39 linux kernel: Vendor: Generic Model: USB CF Reader Rev: 2.00 Aug 27 20:40:39 linux kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Aug 27 20:40:39 linux kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Aug 27 20:40:39 linux kernel: SCSI device sda: 93952 512-byte hdwr sectors (48 MB) Aug 27 20:40:44 linux kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Aug 27 20:41:44 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1438 Thats it. It just seems to hang here and I cant use the reader. Does anyone have any idea how I can get the bugger to work like it did under 8.0? Thanks, Glenn
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 20:42, glenn pedersen wrote:
Hi guys, I bought a generic flash card reader a while back so I could access my photos using Suse. It worked fine in 8.0 but will not work in 8.2
Damn sorry about the thread hijack. Ill repost. Glenn
Yeah, but SuSE tends to be pretty weak with its x.0 releases too. I still regret upgrading to 8.0 from 7.3. -- Om Mani Padme Hume --Traditional Tibetan Blessing
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Andy Choens -
Curtis Rey -
David Benfell -
David Krider -
David Orriss Jr -
glenn pedersen -
Jasem Mutlaq -
Joe Dufresne -
John Andersen -
Togan Muftuoglu -
Trey Gruel -
Zoltan Levardy