On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:07:04 -0400, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jim Henderson
wrote: Because relative to the number of users, your situation represents a fraction (or is perceived to) of the people who have that issue.
How do we determine that number? Does anyone really know? Would a 5% increase in users be worthwhile under that standard?
So, by the same logic, I should also be demanding that openSUSE not provide i586 packages, but i386 packages as well, because I have an old 33 MHz 80386 with 16 MB of RAM (which is sufficient to run a basic web server on), right? I mean really, there must be *millions* of old 80386 systems out there that *could* be running openSUSE. In fact, probably many, many more of those than systems that can't have a DVD added to them for a reasonable price.
openSUSE is a *community* effort, not a corporate effort. So rather than "blame" Novell for "not providing CDs", why not work with the community to see *how* a CD set could be built as a community contribution to the project?
I never accused anyone of anything.
My mistake; it was someone else who took on the "blame Novell" mentality in this thread.
I said that it was a bad mentality to try to encourage people to use Linux vs Vista when the target machines are older anyway. And, I offered to help out in anyway I could.
Suggestion: Look at the DVD structure, see what it would take to make a CD-based distribution. Ask questions about *that* instead. Like I said, it's a community project, so become part of the solution, since it's something you need and something you perceive there's many others who need. You could become a hero to those people by solving the problem rather than just complaining that there isn't a CD distribution available that works for you. You also could then experience first-hand either the success of doing something good, or better understand what it is that makes it more effort than it's worth.
I don't have a mirror site(although that is something I am looking into for the future). So long as we could get 1 site to host it, and have a link to that site, that would satisfy most. And, if that site started getting overwhelmed, then we would know that there was a definate demand.
It's not about being able to host it. It's about the time involved to build and test it.
Also keep in mind that a lot of people have DVD/CDRWs(like my thinkpad), so while it can READ a DVD, it can't write one. That becomes a problem as well.
And how many of those people know *nobody* who has a DVD burner? My 80- year-old mother can get a DVD burned without coming to me to do it. I know people in South Africa who have access to DVD burning technology. Saying "I don't have a DVD burner" is just an excuse. Show me *one* person who doesn't know someone with a DVD burner, and I still won't believe it.
Or why not just use the Live CDs (which CAN be used for install) and then install any missing packages from a local repo? That is a perfectly reasonable compromise. What's more, it ain't rocket science to actually *do* that.
Why do they say that KDE4 is experimental(or whatever) and not offer a KDE3 LiveCD? Also, like I pointed out, you can't remove KDE4 in favor of KDE3 without a hassle. Finally, some machines, like Old World Macs, can't boot LiveCDs.
Oh, so you're talking about PPC as well. And the segment who benefits gets that much smaller. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org