For the last week i've used KDE 4.1.x on a secondary system I have at work. I have used this machine daily for many tasks (production work, as I used it as a secondary production machine, to work on and come back to this one when dead). I prefer KDE (for now) and have loved it for a long time. But i'm afraid that KDE 4.1.2 isn't even ready for my daily use of production. On my secondary system it has crashed about 5 times for me doing silly tasks (changed a plasmoid, adding a plasmoid etc). When I add a new panel, and add a new plasmoid to it, why isn't it just activated on the sizie of the icon? I can click anywhere in the whole panel for the "Lancealot Menu" to come down. Shouldn't only clicking on the icon activate it? The System Tray and most other things on the panels (if shrunk) are not desirable. They don't scale down as they should. I was bored today and decided to start changing my desktop theme. On the 3rd one I tried, the whole screen just stayed black. I had to kill my KDE session and go back in so I could see stuff. When I have updates going the tooltip with the updates makes other portions of my screen flicker. I know I know.. this is just another KDE 4 rant, but I've been really trying to make the switch ( I was planning on going all KDE 4.1.2 when 11.1 came out), but it doesn't seem like I'll be able to. I don't have enough faith in the plasma environment (KDE Applications run great, they are quick, and most everything else is fine), it's just the very lacking panels and the buggy plasma portion that is killin me. I hope by the time openSUSE 11.2 comes out (and the death of KDE 3 in openSUSE) that KDE 4 will be ready for the prime time, or i'm sad to say it'll be a move to gnome for me. Ok.. that was pointless.. but I feel better anyways. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org