[opensuse] I'm an openSUSE and KDE user, and now i'm scared
For the last week i've used KDE 4.1.x on a secondary system I have at work. I have used this machine daily for many tasks (production work, as I used it as a secondary production machine, to work on and come back to this one when dead). I prefer KDE (for now) and have loved it for a long time. But i'm afraid that KDE 4.1.2 isn't even ready for my daily use of production. On my secondary system it has crashed about 5 times for me doing silly tasks (changed a plasmoid, adding a plasmoid etc). When I add a new panel, and add a new plasmoid to it, why isn't it just activated on the sizie of the icon? I can click anywhere in the whole panel for the "Lancealot Menu" to come down. Shouldn't only clicking on the icon activate it? The System Tray and most other things on the panels (if shrunk) are not desirable. They don't scale down as they should. I was bored today and decided to start changing my desktop theme. On the 3rd one I tried, the whole screen just stayed black. I had to kill my KDE session and go back in so I could see stuff. When I have updates going the tooltip with the updates makes other portions of my screen flicker. I know I know.. this is just another KDE 4 rant, but I've been really trying to make the switch ( I was planning on going all KDE 4.1.2 when 11.1 came out), but it doesn't seem like I'll be able to. I don't have enough faith in the plasma environment (KDE Applications run great, they are quick, and most everything else is fine), it's just the very lacking panels and the buggy plasma portion that is killin me. I hope by the time openSUSE 11.2 comes out (and the death of KDE 3 in openSUSE) that KDE 4 will be ready for the prime time, or i'm sad to say it'll be a move to gnome for me. Ok.. that was pointless.. but I feel better anyways. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:08:57 Ben Kevan wrote:
For the last week i've used KDE 4.1.x on a secondary system I have at work. I have used this machine daily for many tasks (production work, as I used it as a secondary production machine, to work on and come back to this one when dead). [...snip...]
The System Tray and most other things on the panels (if shrunk) are not desirable. They don't scale down as they should.
I have found that resizing the panel to the size I want, then logging out and restarting KDE fixes the scaling problem. I agree that this workaround should not be necessary but it seems that we are, after all, dealing with beta software here at best. It's just a shame that the developers can't admit it and label it as such...
[...] I know I know.. this is just another KDE 4 rant, but I've been really trying to make the switch ( I was planning on going all KDE 4.1.2 when 11.1 came out), but it doesn't seem like I'll be able to. I don't have enough faith in the plasma environment (KDE Applications run great, they are quick, and most everything else is fine), it's just the very lacking panels and the buggy plasma portion that is killin me.
I know what you mean. Nevertheless, I've now installed 4.1.2 on 3 machines (1 on a new install of 11.0 and 2 on 10.3 and with the latest release it really is pretty stable. Hopefully by 4.2 we'll have most if not all of the functionality of 3.5.7 back again. Someone I was speaking to at work commented that the issues with the changeover from KDE3 to KDE4 sound pretty much the same as what happened between KDE2 and KDE3 (which is why he switched to Gnome and never looked back). Seems that they just have a different development philosophy that what lot of their users would like them to have. That's life.
[...] Ok.. that was pointless.. but I feel better anyways.
I'm glad it helped :-). -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
On Friday 03 October 2008 07:52:50 pm Rodney Baker wrote:
Seems that they just have a different development philosophy that what lot of their users would like them to have. That's life.
It is just normal opensource community development process. I don't think that alpha-beta have any meaning in process where final result is not precisely defined, and that is first property of the community developed software. General framework is defined, but details are not. They are shaped on the go from the user feedback. Bugs as measure of status are of not much use. There will be some as long as developers are adding new features, and that is almost all the time. It is worth to remember that besides patches, which only minority can provide, detailed description of the missing feature, or expected workflow, and current status is what developers can use. Reference to KDE3 feature without specifics requires digging and guessing, and in time when they have plenty of scheduled, as it is right now, it will move request to the bottom of the todo list. My guess is that many users have problem with new names and relations between desktop elements, but I can't help much, as I'm one of those that are trying to get idea. Some pointers to documents will probably help a lot, but any developers, not only open source, are not known as good documentation writers. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Rodney Baker
Someone I was speaking to at work commented that the issues with the changeover from KDE3 to KDE4 sound pretty much the same as what happened between KDE2 and KDE3 (which is why he switched to Gnome and never looked back).
Hmmm, well, considering that I was there for the switch(and have been using SuSE/KDE since 5.3) and didn't really see much in the way of difference, and considering the fact that I have a SuSE 8.1 system running KDE 2.x right now(a nostagia Thinkpad 380XD P/233/96MB), I can say that there wasn't much of a diiference between those 2 versions. At least nothing like the huge change between KDE3 and KDE4. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hmmm, well, considering that I was there for the switch(and have been using SuSE/KDE since 5.3) and didn't really see much in the way of difference, and considering the fact that I have a SuSE 8.1 system running KDE 2.x right now(a nostagia Thinkpad 380XD P/233/96MB), I can say that there wasn't much of a diiference between those 2 versions. At least nothing like the huge change between KDE3 and KDE4.
I was there too... and I distinctly remember how rocky that changeover was. The final result... as in KDE3 as is it now is not something you can compare... look at the very first SuSE release with KDE3... look at how bad KDE3 was then.. how unstable.. how broken. I remember trying over and over to transition from KDE2 to KDE3 and failing because so much was broken in the beginning. As it matured though, KDE3 became a great desktop... one of the best around, if not the best. KDE4 will get there too. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Hmmm, well, considering that I was there for the switch(and have been using SuSE/KDE since 5.3) and didn't really see much in the way of difference, and considering the fact that I have a SuSE 8.1 system running KDE 2.x right now(a nostagia Thinkpad 380XD P/233/96MB), I can say that there wasn't much of a diiference between those 2 versions. At least nothing like the huge change between KDE3 and KDE4.
I was there too... and I distinctly remember how rocky that changeover was. The final result... as in KDE3 as is it now is not something you can compare... look at the very first SuSE release with KDE3... look at how bad KDE3 was then.. how unstable.. how broken. I remember trying over and over to transition from KDE2 to KDE3 and failing because so much was broken in the beginning. As it matured though, KDE3 became a great desktop... one of the best around, if not the best. KDE4 will get there too.
C.
I started with SuSE 7.1 (still have the CDs sitting here), have always used KDE, and simply cannot remember, or noticed, any hassles with KDE since I installed my first copy of SuSE (and I would notice hassles :-) ). So when exactly did this transition from KDE2 to KDE3 take place which caused such noticeable problems? Ciao. -- Pathology n. the intense study of paths. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 04 October 2008 01:06:13 am Basil Chupin wrote:
Clayton wrote: ...
I was there too... and I distinctly remember how rocky that changeover was. The final result... as in KDE3 as is it now is not something you can compare... look at the very first SuSE release with KDE3... look at how bad KDE3 was then.. how unstable.. how broken. I remember trying over and over to transition from KDE2 to KDE3 and failing because so much was broken in the beginning. As it matured though, KDE3 became a great desktop... one of the best around, if not the best. KDE4 will get there too.
C.
I started with SuSE 7.1 (still have the CDs sitting here), have always used KDE, and simply cannot remember, or noticed, any hassles with KDE since I installed my first copy of SuSE (and I would notice hassles :-) ).
So when exactly did this transition from KDE2 to KDE3 take place which caused such noticeable problems?
It was problematic if you wanted the newest. I remember breaking my desktop twice with attempts to use the version that wasn't supported. Finally I gave up and used only what was released by SUSE. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 2008-10-04 at 16:06 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
I was there too... and I distinctly remember how rocky that changeover was. The final result... as in KDE3 as is it now is not something you can compare... look at the very first SuSE release with KDE3... look at how bad KDE3 was then.. how unstable.. how broken. I remember trying over and over to transition from KDE2 to KDE3 and failing because so much was broken in the beginning. As it matured though, KDE3 became a great desktop... one of the best around, if not the best. KDE4 will get there too.
I started with SuSE 7.1 (still have the CDs sitting here), have always used KDE, and simply cannot remember, or noticed, any hassles with KDE since I installed my first copy of SuSE (and I would notice hassles :-) ).
So when exactly did this transition from KDE2 to KDE3 take place which caused such noticeable problems?
I started with SuSE 5.2 and I don't remember that hard transition. I think SuSE release was more pragmatical or conservative than today, the distro kde version was stable, and we had a smooth transition. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjnbGgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Vj7wCfQ350sx5ymgbD4SGSNRnc5Ft/ EMIAn09HSEDQiQqgVRQ39YTS0bFkaIqt =Q0Y2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 04 October 2008 08:15:17 am Carlos E. R. wrote: ...
the distro kde version was stable, and we had a smooth transition.
That is exactly my experience. My problem was using not supported stuff to see new features, but on the other hand I think that is almost the same today. I'm running KDE4 Factory, and I can see some problems. I bet that KDE 4.0.x that is regular distro is stable. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Clayton
I was there too... and I distinctly remember how rocky that changeover was. The final result... as in KDE3 as is it now is not something you can compare... look at the very first SuSE release with KDE3... look at how bad KDE3 was then.. how unstable.. how broken. I remember trying over and over to transition from KDE2 to KDE3 and failing because so much was broken in the beginning. As it matured though, KDE3 became a great desktop... one of the best around, if not the best. KDE4 will get there too.
Hmmm, well, I didn't actually use every release version that was put out, so I may have missed that. Also, I have always used the KDE that comes with SuSE and never tried to use a current tree from the KDE devs. But, when I boot SuSE 8.1, KDE2 looks and acts a lot like my KDE3 on 11.0. There are some changes of course. You dont get the xterm with the kernel messages anymore, and the eye-candy-meter is gone(unfortunately.....wish they would bring it back). But, it still pretty much works the same. I can put my son in front of it and then 11.0 and he has no problems. With KDE4, he likes the bling, but gets annoyed when some things don't work like they do in KDE3...... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 04 October 2008 01:48:10 pm Larry Stotler wrote:
But, when I boot SuSE 8.1, KDE2 looks and acts a lot like my KDE3 on 11.0. There are some changes of course. You dont get the xterm with the kernel messages anymore, and the eye-candy-meter is gone(unfortunately.....wish they would bring it back).
Are you referring to kpersonalizer? It's still available for KDE 3.5.9 :) -- Jim Barnes -- Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long -- Linux 2.6.25.16-0.1-default -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Jim Barnes
Are you referring to kpersonalizer? It's still available for KDE 3.5.9 :)
Hmmmmm.... Well, the package exists, but as part of the kdebase3-extra package. Now, if we could just get it installed as default and launched on first login, that would help out those of us who are using lower end hardware. Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 03 October 2008 03:38:57 pm Ben Kevan wrote:
I hope by the time openSUSE 11.2 comes out (and the death of KDE 3 in openSUSE) that KDE 4 will be ready for the prime time, or i'm sad to say it'll be a move to gnome for me.
Is KDE 3 going to be dropped from openSUSE in 11.2? -- kai www.filesite.org || www.perfectreign.com government is a process which utilizes 45.5% gut reaction, 45.5% laws and statutes and 1% logic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 04 October 2008 10:16:05 am Kai Ponte wrote:
On Friday 03 October 2008 03:38:57 pm Ben Kevan wrote:
I hope by the time openSUSE 11.2 comes out (and the death of KDE 3 in openSUSE) that KDE 4 will be ready for the prime time, or i'm sad to say it'll be a move to gnome for me.
Is KDE 3 going to be dropped from openSUSE in 11.2?
From: Michael Loeffler
We think this way we address most concerns and offering another step for thea good transition to KDE4. And stop shipping KDE3 with openSUSE 11.2. So 11.2 would come with KDE3 only. We of course support everybody who wants to offer and maintain KDE3 for longer. </quote>
It is KDE4 only ;-) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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