On Monday 23 Aug 2004 08:32, David Robertson wrote:
Jim Sabatke wrote:
Dylan wrote:
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I'd love to do that. As much as I love Linux, people who watch me go through constant upgrades to get new versions of software, along with all the grief involved, ask me pretty often why I put up with that. Windows users seldom need to upgrade their OS to run new software. Just try to compile or install an rpm of the latest gimp. It's an almost endless thread of library upgrades. I don't really mind doing it, but it does get annoying sometimes.
Point is, XP users generally love their systems because it's easy. Installing software is easy. They put a disk in and it does the rest. They just need to hit "next" a few times.
That said, I'm going to try to get them to setup a proper server.
Of course, I haven't discussed performance or security here.
A lesson on gnome! SuSE has always provided a token gnome environment that always lags behind the current version, it's basically a KDE based distro. Gnome was based on CDE and at the height of the religeous wars over the QT license, RedHat decided to use CDE. I thought OK, I'll install CDE, then reckoned someone was pulling my willy. I've worked with CDE on Solaris a heck of a lot since then and found it to be brain dead. SuSE 9.1 came with gnome 2.4, just after 2.6 was out, you've seen various updates of KDE 3.2.x and now 3.3.0, you still haven't seen a 2.6.x update of gnome and when you see it gnome will be 2.7.x or later. Gnome is not put together, it's thrown together and if you get the urge to build 2.6 apps on 2.4, buy a rod and bait and go fishing instead. I've even found that installing a new version of gnome today and trying to compile a later gnome app a few weeks on can be troublesome, you may find (as I understand there is a recent published article saying so), you spend a day downloading one dependancy after another to get your new apps to build and just may be, working, but you've probably broken a number of other apps, I've done so in the past - citing gnomemeeting which I eventually got to build, but it complained about something during execution and other apps were cratered in the process. I've even had disappointments using ULB gnome. Then there is garnome, great idea till I ran into build problems, no problem, join the garnome mailing list, that should sort it, but all I see is one release after another, none of which ever gives a clean build. So on SuSE 9.1, get a gimp 2.0.3 (latest), install that and impress your Windows buddies, try a 2.1.x source and be prepared for a bad hair day. Regards Sid.
Ah, such cynicism, Sid!
But I agree - I just happened to look at the SuSE Gnome pages recently, where it excitedly tells you that Gnome 2 packages are now available!
I actually use ulb-gnome and am very happy with it - I don't really like what I've seen of Gnome 2.6: it seems to be progressively losing more and more flexibility.
Maybe the Novell/SuSE/Ximian alliance will improve things: I read somewhere (here I think) that Gnome is to become the default desktop for SuSE in the future.
David All i can say is i hope they make it possible to switch to KDE cus i think a load of people are going to be very non plussed with Gnome , It drives me bananas with it need this that and other i wanted to run gramps not a hope in hell still ..
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