On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Its clear you don't understand what google does and its clear you don't understand how to use it.
I knew only this much that google is a search engine and it searches your query, what more you expect from a home user? Take a survey of house-wives and all the people and ask 'how google works' and what they simply tell you is that 'it searches'!
Google indexes everything it can get at. If you mis-configure google-desktop it will add the contents of your machine to its index.
There is no semantics. If you google for "god" and some idiot proclaims he is god, the google will index that that as it will index bible pages and other pages claiming others are god and the pages saying those people are not god.
God of the universe or god of Linux or god of a single machine. Its all the same to google.
It doesn't care. Its just an indexing engine.
Oh I came to know this....I didn't know this in fact.....
* Don't expect your first query to return what you want
Okay, I would not expect from now.
* Don't expect what you want to be on the first hit or the first page
Ah well.
* Don't expect any single page to have the right answer, read many
If I would have more time, I would go through each and every page.
* Don't expect too get answers without making effort
For sure, I agree with you in this regard.
* Don't think that a user contributed entry in, for example, Wikipedia, is 100% correct and authoritative.
Oh I see, it may have errors then.... , it could be.. since it also has an option of 'edit'....
* Don't be cynical either.
Like you, I am not.
You are no more likely to get authoritative answers here than by using google, not least of all since this list gets archived on the 'net and indexed by google!
Ah well.
None of this is different from researching in a library, reading books and published papers. I gather schools and universities don't teach that any more, they expect you somehow have this know-how innately, all evidence to the opposite!
More specifically:
* The issue about "should I go with the new x.1 release as soon as it comes out" has occurred on this any many other lists many times. Go google. Construct more than one query. Don't just look to Suse. Refine your queries.
Okk....
You could have commented that you searched the list archives and found such-and-such a comment about the problems with 10.1, 11.1 and wondered if there was going to be similar problems with 12.1.
Nope!
Or you could have joined one of the other Suse lists concerned with the development of 12.x and monitored the traffic there.
Never!
* By definition you *are* an "admin of Suse". Live with it!
Not possible, since I am not, I accept what I am, it is your advice but thanks for it.
* Google first.
Sure.
Show evidence you have put some effort in rather than using this forum as a crutch.
Ok, that I would do definitely....
* Take some initiative to find out.
I agree and start....
That's one of the differences in attitude between Linux people and Windows-weenies.
May be....but ultimately Linux wins! On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
Sigh.
Ahh.
Any Linux howto will assume you are an 'expert' along the lines that it will be very hands on.
I don't think you are correct.
You keep throwing around that openSUSE put easy in their policy.
Since it has already put! Am I really wrong? Why I like openSUSE? Because of this reason only... It is of course, more polished, better....
Maybe that should be changed if people are getting the impression that you can install, go, and forget.
Not forgetting man!
Perhaps you should pick up a Linux book in general, as we have recommended, to get a better hand on Linux in general.
That I agree, I should and would.
You said before you were going to leave and go to Redhat/Fedora....who are even less forgiving than the people are sometimes on this list.
Forgiving.....! Amazing! If I say, I also forgive you, then...?
I'm starting to get the impression that you're hiding by the word 'easy' in the policy because you don't want to put the time and energy required into learning a new paradigm other than Windows.
It was a 'yesterday' not 'present'... It was my thinking when I used to run Windows!
I fear that if you don't start to change your way of thinking and get used to a more hands on way of thinking other than the MS world where you double click and go, you will not stick with Linux at all.
I agree that for learning Linux, efforts are needed! Surely true.... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
On 11/16/2011 9:29 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
This is really important to keep in mind. And it's not just for Linux, it's in life in general.
And it is not for only me, you should also follow it in your life (I don't know if apart from Linux, you follow it in your life or not....) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:13 PM, jdd wrote:
Sigh. Any Linux howto will assume you are an 'expert'
plain wrong.
depending of the subject, your skill have to follow. Some things can be explained to dummies and are, other like setting up a ldap server are not for dummies and don't to be explainded to them else than "get away"
example:
http://wiki.tldp.org/Partition-Mass-Storage-Dummies-Linux-HOWTO
Wrong since it relative to him only and not to everyone...in general...he misinterpreted the same.... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
+1 Searching the Internet [or "googling" since we are in an unwavering effort to proprietize the Internet] is, IMO, just not a very effective way to find information. You'll find (a) lots of questions with no answers (b) old answers and (c) wrong answers - frequently after wasting a fair amount of time.
If you have a question it is *much* better to find an appropriate list / forum, subscribe to that, search it's contents specifically, or post a question.
I do agree with you.
For example - I've been subscribed to the Samba and Samba-Technical lists for years and years. If I have a Samba related problem searching the mail folder where all that gets routed too is much more effective than searching 'the Internet'. I always know the vintage of the information I'm looking at [many websites do a bad job of making that clear] and I have [possibly] and entire thread to look at.
That's really very nice, I would follow the same principle....
Anyway, I plan on going to 12.1 soon [maybe this weekend]. Upgrading versions has almost always worked pretty seamlessly for me.
You can since you are not new to Linux, you know it after all, ;)- On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
You are still equating "easy" with "I don't have to research my questions before asking them" - and that's incorrect.
No, I would google, I would have to, in fact.
As I suggested before, visit the forums; many of our users are novices and ask "entry-level" questions after doing some research.
Ah well, sure.
But as in life, any time you want to learn a new skill, you have to do some work to acquire it.
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