15 Jun
2014
15 Jun
'14
06:11
On 2014-06-15 00:44 (GMT-0400) Anton Aylward composed: > On 06/14/2014 11:25 PM, Tony Alfrey wrote: >> Anton Aylward wrote: >>> On 06/14/2014 03:03 PM, Karl Sinn wrote: >>>> Am 14.06.2014 20:54, schrieb Tony Alfrey: >>> >>>>> What would be the appropriate command from a terminal? >>>>> >>>>> I assume "yast" to start, but then to install the window manager? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>> yes, open yast on the command line or the gui (yast2) as root. >>>> then select: >>>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_ >>>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_basis >>>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_office >>>> + everything else you want to install >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if this will install everything needed, as I always choose >>>> XFCE when I first install openSuSE. >>>> If things are missing and you can't find them just write a message on >>>> this list. >>>> >>>> After this you have to restart the xserver and choose XFCE for startup >>>> at the loginscreen >>>> >>>> Karl >>> >>> >>> Its probably simpler to run from the root prompt >>> >>> # zypper install patterns-openSUSE-xfce >>> >>> (or even patterns-openSUSE-xfce_basis. Patterns-openSUSE-xfce_laptop or >>> patterns-openSUSE-xfce_office ) >>> >>> That way you get all the dependencies taken care of and don't have to >>> fiddle around with the awkward version of yast that run in terminal mode. >>> >> >> >> I can't even get to a Terminal on the Desktop in KDE. As I move the >> mouse around on the screen, all sorts of panels and windows open and >> close in various pieces, piling up on top of each other. > > Duh ... > > Ctl-Alt-F1 to get a REAL tty > > >> >> I managed to reboot into Failsafe mode to get a terminal. >> Commanded yast, told me I had to go get it in /sbin, cd to sbin, ran >> yast, gave me a bunch of error messages about how various packages are >> not installed. It can't find: >> qt >> ncurses >> gtk >> >> That's pretty fundamental for a linux box. > > Right. First it tells me that something went wrong with your > installation if they are not there. > > Second, it tells me that somehow it is trying to run a graphics version > (gtk, qt) and fails -- obviously -- and that you haven't installed the > curses package. So yast can't run in any of those modes. > > Which makes perfect sense. > > Which is why I never even try. > > I did say to use zypper, didn't I > > You don't need yast to do an install of a package. > >> Then in desperation tried the above zypper install of xfce. > > "Desperation"? > >> It wanted root privileges, I did that. > > If you had somehow got yast to work it would have wanted root > privileges. After all, you're doing an install. > > >> Then it started pulling packages from somewhere, some 301 packages >> needed. It clanked along for perhaps a half hour. > > This is an older machine, right? > >> >> Then I rebooted, and found a new option for xfce had appeared and >> started it. >> >> It looks like a real window manager. Drives, directories, apps, no >> silly junk, no flopping panels, no stupid distorted fonts, no silly >> widgets. > > I suspect that you have a slower/older machine/GPU that can't handle the > composting (?sp?) that the eye-candy in KDE demands. > > XFCE is very very lightweight. VERY. > > >> So the simple bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with my box, or >> my video card, it is KDE that is broken. Seriously broken. > > Not Broken. DEMANDING. > > KDE uses a hell of a lot of computing power and if your CPU and GPU > can't deliver it then GAME OVER. > > >> Thanks for the help in getting this xfce thing working. > > There are another dozen or so Dms of which many are also lightweight. > Some express a particular philosophy, such as e16/e17. > > XFCE is the '1600 cc ford escort' where s KDE is the extended wheelbase I think IceWM or TWM would be that micro-motor Escort, XFCE more like a 2.3 litre Focus. > Cadillac 12 cylinder SUV with monster wheels and glitz and power > mirrors, automatic headlights ... You name it. Overkill. Grand Marquis V8 might be more like it. In between the Grand Marq and the Focus would be the v6 Taurus, KDE3. His SUSE 9.x would have had a KDE3 that demands little different than the KDE3 available for 13.1. > Its not as if we _need_ anything faster than a 2008 P3 with 1G of > memory. Yet another typo? Didn't Intel stop producing P3s around 2000? In 2008 I think everything was already multicore and 45nm or less. 1G RAM might be on the mark. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org