On 16/05/11 00:46, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
[...] The guiding principals are a good thing, but you can´t expect that *everyone* *always* think of them and write his post according to them. We´re all human, and humans making mistakes, and often ram their heads together.
And by the way, just because Jos is our community manager that doesn´t mean that he have to be always friendly and correct. Think of the catholic church. The´re priests swear to never ever have sex during their life and never ever marry. But it´s a fact that the most of them having children and also a woman they love.
When you want a *always* clear and friendly discussion on such a topic, you need to talk with robots.
To me, you´re all like little children who are arguing about a toy anyone wants to have.... And I think with this mail I become one of you. Grow up! You still think that an openSUSE community manager or ambassador or member can do whatever she/he wants and just get away with it, but
On 15/05/11 14:01, Kim Leyendecker wrote: that's not the case. I am sure if a "normal" community member had written an email like Jos' email, the wrath of a lot of mailing list members would have come down on that person. This has nothing to do with kids and toys, you are now trying to ridicule this thread to disgrace certain people. It is about respecting other people's opinions and concerns. Read this entire thread and you should realise that many people have expressed concerns about Jos' approach regarding a harassment policy and wanted to go for a short, simple statement. Do you really think just wiping all of these concerns away and stating "Next time I have something like this I'll just talk to a few sensible people and put it live" is the right approach? Do you really think a community manager should behave like this? I certainly don't think so.
Unfortunately, on this mailing list people like you make the continuous attempt to silence other people who point out critical things or ask unpleasant questions, people who do not just say "yes" to everything the board or community manager or other members propose. Your email is another perfect example for this. One day even you will realise that something is wrong with this approach and those people perhaps contribute more than you think. It's just not necessarily the stuff you would like to hear.
Th.
Would you like to reread what you wrote above and then reconsider if what you wrote is anything different in intention to what Kim wrote? Kim at least was putting forward an opinion expressed in a rather "mangled" way because English is not his native language but you seem to have a better grasp of it and what you have stated is certainly more "provocative" and "ridiculing" in nature than anything he wrote. Reread what you wrote at your leisure and when you find the time. BC -- "The time has been That, when the brains were out, the man would die," "Macbeth", Shakespeare -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org