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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Re: [opensuse-factory] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On Thu, September 22, 2011 4:42 pm, Markus Slopianka wrote: > On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote: > >> the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees. > > The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on > those âlittle devicesâ. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says: >> openSUSE does not: >> (...) >> Work on Mobile or embedded devices. See also link: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/08/09/strategy-done/ <quote> The future The team noted that the strategy is of course not set in stone for eternity although we probably wont go through this process every year and asked for further feedback in the mass mailing to the membership. Some comments did indeed come in, most notably asking for the ARM port and mobile devices as well as the impact of the openSUSE Foundation. In the future, the strategy documents will surely require some revision. Once somebody in the openSUSE community steps up to do an ARM port, which is likely to attract significant help, the document will have to be revisited to reflect this, just like Tumbleweed resulted in a change. </quote> Joop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Re: Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On Thu, September 22, 2011 5:41 pm, Guillaume Gardet wrote: > > > Le 22/09/2011 16:56, Greg KH a écrit : >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote: >>> We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be >>> in it to win it ;-) >> I know we talked about this at the openSUSE conference, and I'm glad that you are starting to kick this off, it's great. >> >> But, what specific machine are you targeting this to run on to start with? We need some kind of specific platform to aim for besides a semi-vague processor level, in order to get a valid kernel and >> tool-chain up and running. The kernel specifically is going to be a bit difficult as each individual platform needs tweaks in order to have it work properly due to the lack of discoverable busses (device-tree work notwithstanding). >> >> In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :) > > I think we need more than 1 board to check the port. I think Beagleboard, Beagleboard xM or a Pandaboard could be a nice board to develop openSUSE on ARM (in addition to qemu). > > Firstly, we have to decide what kind of ARM processor we want to support. I think we should target ARMv7 and above Application processor family (Cortex A8, A9 and above) to have enough "power" to run openSUSE. I think we will have poor performances with ARMv5 for openSUSE. > Then, we have to decide which optimization (in GCC) we want to enable. I would say : > - ARM EABI with ARMv7-a instructions > - VFP (vector floating point) > - thumb/thumb2 instructions if possible (some packages do not compile with thumb or thumb2 enabled) > - NEON (not all processor have it, maybe enable it as an option for video libraries for examples to have good performances) I think that if you look at the time that it'll take to have a stable distro, I think it would be best to focus on the Cortex A9 (hardfp etc) with or without NEON. Why start with a distro that is already based on "old" hardware. Nearly all tablets are using a Cortex A9 (mostly in the form of a Tegra 2). That has one small downside. This one doesn't have a NEON FPU at least not one that meets the full specs. What are the plans for a openSuSE ARM distro. Where should it run on? I think as a distro it would be useful to have it running on a tablet like the Asus Transformer and upcoming ARM Cortex A15 servers. > > Interesting pages: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture > > I have experiences in embedded Linux and I have a beagleboard xM, so I can help if you want. But I have no experiences in RPM packaging. I would like to take part. I have Pandaboard (OMAP4430) and Toshiba AC100 (Tegra2). > > AFAIK, someone worked on ARM port some time ago in google summer of code. It could be nice to know what have been done. > > Cheers, > > Guillaume Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [RFC] What about welcome.opensuse.org?
by Kim Leyendecker 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

Hello Geeckos! There were a discussion[1] about kicking SUSEGreeter a few months ago. And yes, it was quite quiet about it until today. My idea: creating a site called welcome.opensuse.org, instead of using SuSEgreeter. SUSEGreeter was very nice in a time where not everyone had an internet connection. In the most countries of the world, an internet connection is standard now. So, I think SUSEgreeter should be retired. There so many new technologies on the internet, so, why not using a website instead of SUSEGreeter? The idea: * Creating a website which is lightweight but still delivers a comprehensive bunch of information, which could be useful for first start. * Links to openSUSE News, openSUSE´s facebook presence and other SUSE stuff on the internet * Link to the mailinglist archive * Download links for additional CDs * link to SUSE Studio * links to the most important wiki pages I´m on the way to create a prototype of such a site and want to ask you if anyone else is interested in it? I´m working a bit with HTML && CSS in the near past and the near future, so it also would help me to get in the stuff ;-) So, I want to ask for comments and ideas about it. If there people who are interested in it, don´t be shy and join the project ;-) kind regards, Kim [1] https://features.opensuse.org/312754 -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Re: Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On Thu, September 22, 2011 5:22 pm, Alexander Graf wrote: > > Am 22.09.2011 um 17:13 schrieb Pavol Rusnak <prusnak(a)opensuse.org>: > >> On 09/22/2011 04:56 PM, Greg KH wrote: >>> In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :) >> >> I think BeagleBoard (Cortex-A8) or PandaBoard (Cortex-A9) would be a good start. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeagleBoard >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard > > To kick thibgs off (and for easy development), I would target QEMU, so everyone can try it out and attach gdb when needed. > > I agree though that we need to target one particular board for real hw development, so things don't get more painful than they have to be. I'm reasonably indifferent on what we're targeting there, but it should be < 200â¬ and widely available. I think the best choice would be the snowball board of the igloo community. http://www.igloocommunity.org/ http://shop.strato.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605… It'll set you back 164.00 excluding tax and postage for version with GPS/bluetooth and wifi. The reason why I think the snowball is the best choice is because it's using the ST-Ericsson Nova A9500 processor (Dual Cortex A9 + Mali 400 GPU) like the Samsung Exynos 4210 SoC. The advantage of this board over the pandaboard is that it has a OSS video driver (GPL and MIT license), while the SGX540 driver is closed source. http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-g… I have the the Pandaboard the problem is the current SGX drivers don't work for hardfp, which I think is the best for a openSuSE ARM distro. If it's decided to use this board I wouldn't mind ordering it together with people near me, the postage is quite high 32.56 excluding tax, to the Netherlands. I live in Limburg (SE Netherlands), near Germany and Belgium. > > Either way, for bootstrapping going with an emulated platform is probably more useful. Once we have a proper base system, let's go for the real fun and target a board. > > > Alex-- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-arm+help(a)opensuse.org > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Propuesta de intercambio de links
by Jesus Martin 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

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[opensuse-project] Seeking volunteers for the openSUSE Election Committee
by Bryen M. Yunashko 21 Sep '11

21 Sep '11

With the end of 2011 quickly approaching, the period for elections will soon be upon us. One of the key elements of the openSUSE elections is the Election Committee. Without this committee the elections simply wouldn't function. Your help is needed. Volunteer and assist the Election Committee. At the end of the year, we will have elections for three board seats. Bryen Yunashko's seat is being vacated due to term limits and Pavol Rusnak and Rupert Horstkotter' are completing their first term, thus eligible to run for a second term. All board members have a limit of two consecutive terms. Election Committee members have the following responsibilities: - Review current election eligibility rules - Create a schedule for the campaign and voting periods - Work with the Membership Team to ensure that all membership applications are processed in time for voting - Verify candidate eligibility - Make appropriate announcements regarding scheduling and voting procedures - Run the election - Ensure an effective voting mechanism - Keep the board informed on progress of election planning - Resolve any post-election issues We encourage at least one member of past board election committees to join the current team in an, at least, advisory capacity. You can read more about the election process at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election. If you'd like to join the committee, please send an email to board(a)opensuse.org. The deadline for applications to the committee is 30th September 2011. Thank you, The openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Meeting Minutes: [opensuse-kde] openSUSE KDE Team Meeting - Wednesday September 21, 1400 UTC
by Raymond Wooninck 21 Sep '11

21 Sep '11

Meeting started by wstephenson at 14:07:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-kde/2011/opensuse- kde.2011-09-21-14.07.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * status report (wstephenson, 14:10:42) * ACTION: wstephenson investigate quickformat disk util (wstephenson, 14:16:23) * ACTION: tittiatcoke update KUA/KDF snapshot (wstephenson, 14:22:47) * ACTION: wstephenson update bluedevil to 1.2.1 (wstephenson, 14:23:34) * dropping/obsoleting empty base packages (binary pkgs with same name as src package) (wstephenson, 14:24:06) * ACTION: tittiatcoke update kdbg to 2.5.0 (tittiatcoke, 14:31:01) * ACTION: tittiatcoke create email to -packaging to validate package obsoleting/removal (tittiatcoke, 14:44:36) * misc, Q&A (wstephenson, 14:45:30) * ACTION: wstephenson arrange KUSC future meeting with dirk (wstephenson, 14:50:22) * ACTION: wstephenson investigate apper (tittiatcoke, 15:04:03) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 18:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=9&year=2011&h… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Magazine
by differentreality 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Hi all! One of the ideas that popped up during the marketing hackfest here today was that of making an openSUSE magazine with focus on the conference proceedings and the cool stuff that happened since the last conference. The magazine would contain articles on the main highlights of the past year (Year is the time period between two conferences), interviews with key people, reviews and articles about the current conference etc. We would like to get a feedback on the idea and a few key topics that you think should be covered. Any authors who want to help with articles, please say so on the mailing list as we need more people to work on the articles. The topics, however, should focus on either key events that took place since last conference (like tumbleweed, evergreen, connect etc) or should be an article about oSC11 (or any particular session of it). We would also like a few miscellaneous topics that relates to openSUSE and linux at large. I hope all of you would like the idea and would contribute to our efforts to make openSUSE even more famous and awesome. Please let us know your thoughts (& your willingness to help). For additional info you can reply to the mailing list or send an email to differentreality(a)gmail.com ( plz use as subject: openSUSE magazine ) Regards, N.B.Prashanth - nbprash.mit(a)gmail.com Stella Rouzi - differentreality(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Notes from BoF
by Robert Schweikert 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

All, Please find the notes from the "What do we need to improve" BoF at last weeks oSC here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:What_to_improve_osc11_session If you have ideas about solutions to the described problems please feel free to add them under the "Potential solution" heading. Also, if whomever volunteered to file the FATE entry on the multiboot installer could put the FATE number in the wiki that would be great. Thanks to everyone who participated in the Bof, and thanks in advance to those adding solution ideas. Just remember, keep it real, no "pie in the sky" stuff. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei(a)suse.com rschweik(a)ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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