December 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE LTS kernel
by Greg Freemyer 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Rajko M. <rmatov101(a)charter.net> wrote: > On Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:36:09 pm Kim Leyendecker wrote: >> Let me ask a technical question: >> >> Which kernel version will be supported? > > That was another comment on this discussion; a lot of words about names and > none tried to start discuss for instance how to revive 11.1 as a test case > (kernel is 2.6.27). It is just out of support, so it can be easy to continue > adding security patches. > > I would like to see some action plan what one has to do to keep 11.1 alive for > another 6 months as a test is whole idea feasible. > > In my humble opinion, better idea would be to think how to make upgrade path > bullet proof, so that one has no fear what will happen on next change. > That will help desktop and server use cases with single effort. > > -- > Regards, > Rajko My gut feeling is the answer is right (by chance?), but we have the logic backwards. The LTS project should not pick a release (11.1) and then use its kernel for the long term support regardless. I would think the kernel's supported for other LTS projects (SLES, SLED, Redhat, etc.) should be identified, and then a openSUSE release that uses a LTS kernel should be picked for LTS designation. Backporting kernel security patches is a lot of work. Also, a lot of LTS kernels get not just security updates, but functional updates. ie. Redhat has back-ported ext4 to 2.6.18 I believe so that older Redhat installs can use ext4. Redhat 6 is 2.6.32 based, so from a pure Redhat perspective 2.6.18 or 2.6.32 would be the best kernels to drive a LTS release. Fortunately SLES 11 is using the 2.6.27 kernel, so we know Novell will be back-porting security patches to it for 3 more years (or more). Does Novell also back-port new functionalities like Redhat does? Regardless since both opensuse 11.1 and SLES 11 use the 2.6.27 kernel, that kernel makes an excellent choice indeed. Is there any reason for the openSUSE 11.1 LTS release to not explicitly use the kernel from SLES 11? That way when patches come out, etc. openSUSE LTS can leverage at least that one very important security support from Novell. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrie… The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE LTS codename
by Greg Freemyer 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Kim Leyendecker <kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de> wrote: > In the most points, I agree with you. But How shall we name it during the > discussion on the Mailing list? Given Tumbleweed is used for a rolling upgrade release, Cactus, Redwood, Sequoia all sound good to me for a LTS release, but a European may not grasp the last 2 very readily. Even more long-lived and desert specific: Joshua Tree or Yucca. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_brevifolia fyi: all of the above but the cactus can live thousands of years, but they may be restricted to the American West, so not good international names. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] on artwork
by Alin Marin Elena 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Hi there, I have a macbook pro aluminium crap on which I run opensuse... Due to my usage the poor thing it is exposed to scratches... my wrist watch mainly... As I have no intention of getting rid of the mac, the watch or the habit, I decided to get a skin to protect the mac... This is where I got an idea... It seems that there are plenty of websites that offer the possibility to skin your laptop. I was wondering if at project level we can "associate" in a way with one of them... The project provides official artwork to skin the device, we the supporters can buy it, for each bought the project gets back few shekels... What do you think about? would be a good way to increase visibility of the project and maybe get some money for it too. regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] news.o.o team
by Jos Poortvliet 09 Dec '10

09 Dec '10

Hi all! I bet most of you have heard of this website, news.opensuse.org. Sometimes people post random vaguely openSUSE-related stuff there. Now I thought it would be fun to create a team around that - work a bit more structured :D People with the rights to post there now post whatever they like, whenever they like. Not that that is always a bad thing, but having a little more oversight to guarantee quality and timing would be good (eg 3 articles on one day then nothing for 3 days sucks; and sometimes there is some Germanglish in there too). It ain't hard - if you are currently writing there every now and then you want to be on the team. If you are willing and able to edit posts every now and then - you want to be on the team. If you want to WRITE for news, you don't HAVE to be on the team - you can just submit stuff and the editors will edit and publish it. So who's up for this? And I expect AJ and Henne at the very least to volunteer, Sascha, you too :D I'm going for everyone who has contributed a lot of stories to News.o.o to be on the team. Or those who can and want to write... So Helen? You! Cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] Announcing openSUSE Tumbleweed project
by Greg KH 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Hi all, There's been many discussions over the past years about a "rolling update" version of openSUSE on lots of different mailing lists and in person a different conferences. So the time now is to stop talking about it, and actually trying to do it :) So, I'd like to propose "openSUSE Tumbleweed" a repo that is a rolling updated version of openSUSE containing the latest "stable" versions of packages for people to use. To help clear up any questions about this, here are some answers to ones that I have heard a lot recently when discussing this: Q: How does this differ from Factory and the recently announced Factory-Tested? A: Factory always contains the bleeding edge versions of our packages that the maintainers have created. Sometimes these packages don't work well together and cause the machine to fail to boot (Hence the need for Factory-Tested). Tumbleweed will contain "stable" versions of these latest packages that have been deemed to "work" properly. A good example of how Tumbleweed is different from Factory would be to look at the kernel package today in Factory. It is 2.6.37-rc as the goal is to have the final 2.6.37 release in the next 11.4 release. But, it is still under active development and not recommended for some people who don't like reporting kernel bugs. For this reason, Tumbleweed would track the stable kernel releases, in this case, it would stay at 2.6.36 until the upstream kernel is released in a "stable" format. Q: What types of packages would be updated in Tumbleweed? A: What do you want to see updated? Seriously, this is something that anyone can request their packages to be updated. We will rely on the maintainers of the packages to be the ones determining the "stable" versions to be pushed into Tumbleweed. This can help with projects that don't always line up their release dates with existing openSUSE releases. If (for example) GNOME 3.0 comes out and is deemed "stable" 1 month after a openSUSE happens, users would not have to wait 6 more months to use it in a semi-stable form. Q: But wait, can't you do this today on your own by just adding a bunch of different repos to zypper and relying on that? A: Yes, you can, but if my zypper repo list is any example, that gets unwieldy (I seem to average about 12 per machine), and we don't want to have every user be forced to do this on their own. Tumbleweed would provide a single place for users that want to be on the semi-bleeding edge of packages, to have it all in one place. I'd like to do this "for real" after 11.4 is out, just due to the amount of time it will take to get the workflow down properly, and due to some other time constraints on my plate at the moment. I anticipate trying this out to start with based on 11.3 but I don't guarantee it all working properly right at the moment. So, any thoughts, ideas, objections? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] FOSDEM distro miniconf 2011
by Henne Vogelsang 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

People of Geeko! we have exactly one month left to come up with talks for the FOSDEM distro mini conf 2011. The topic is, as always, cross-distro technology and affairs. Please if you maintain/contribute to or know about a great technology that you think is underrated in the other distributions be a nice FOSS developer and present it. Or you have a nice tangible idea how distributions can work better together, speak up about it! This is our chance to leverage the synergies between our own project and all the other distributions. At the distro mini conf you get to learn about how others solve the same problems we are facing and equally important, you are able to draw in contributors to your project! Please let me know if you have an idea about a great speaker/topic or want to hold a talk yourself! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Firefox and New Installs....
by Nelson Marques 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

Dear all, 'browser' is most likely one of the most universal words in our society. I haven't checked years of background information, so feel free to blame if somehow this was discussed/approached in the past. To be short and objective... when I installed my system, I ended up by bringing up Firefox. I took a minute to look at it and I got a Firefox beta promo page and openSUSE.org tab. Both ways.... this 2 pages for me (most likely for a lot of people out there) do not require much interaction from the user and force him to go to the preferences and change home page. Anyway we could add like 'Ubuntu' does a search engine (like the evil one) on the start page and some cool links like: * openSUSE > the generic page that exists already on another tab. * openSUSE Forums > kinda interesting and somehow a more human thing for new comers. * (Online) Documentation > Documentation sites. * openSUSE Ambassadors > I think this one is _IMPORTANT_. High visibility. If the browser initial page is useful... example: very used search engine. Many won't change it, just by lazyness and because it serves them... and we keep high visibility with our users. Could anyone make such a thing happen? (And all the other pages, like firefox beta or any other become secondary, this means, they get a cool tab for themselves, but not the first). Please make this happen if you can. Nelson. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Localised openSUSE Live CDs - Iberian edition
by Javier Llorente 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

Hello everyone! I was wondering if it would be possible to have the openSUSE Live CDs - Iberian edition hosted by the openSUSE Project. By Iberian edition I mean the openSUSE 11.3 Official Live CDs localised at least to European Portuguese (pt_PT) and Castilian Spanish (es_ES). We would maintain the Live CDs ourselves. The only problem I see now is that it would require more resources on openSUSE's servers. This is part of an initiative to promote openSUSE in the Iberian peninsula. http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/02/christmas-dinner-11th-december-aveir… portugal/ Greetings, -- Javier Llorente

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[opensuse-project] Some figures about the bug day
by Vincent Untz 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

Hey, I just wanted to share a few figures from the bug day that happened last Saturday, and get feedback about it. As a reminder, the topic of this bug day was the zombie bugs, that we wanted to either close or move to 11.3/11.4. Figures ======= Open bugs in: 10.2 10.3 11.0 Before: 40 162 526 After: 15 89 360 (note that you might get different figures if you look for the figures yourself: for some reasons, some bugs are private :/) At least 10 people participated (and I would think the right number is more like 15), as far as I can tell by a quick look at my (now incomplete) IRC log. Thanks to all of them! We had a few more people joining #opensuse-bugs (which used to be empty). Some already left it, but you're welcome to stay on that channel :-) Feedback ======== IMHO, this went quite well and we made good progress. Some people already suggested to do another bug day next week! I don't think it was decided yet, though. To the developers: you probably got bug mails this week-end :-) Was there any big mistake that was done? Are you happy with the way it went? To participants, and potential participants: - I'd love to hear from people here if the fact that it was on a Saturday helped you or made it harder for you to participate. - also, we produced only a small documentation [1] for this bug day. Is there anything that we should add to this doc? - anything else we could improve? Thanks, [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bug_Day Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project]
by Ruben Sam Mathews 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

Dear sir I am making an OS with opensuse 11.3 studio i wish to add an activation data . means they have to buy activation key and the key is for 3 user they can be activate unlimited times using same network. so can you give information about it Ruben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Member Application
by Kostas Koudaras 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

Hello world I would like you to know that I want to run as a candidate for the board of openSUSE. I am a seasonal forest firefighter in my 'day' job, so as you can understand, contributing for the common good is all I do in my life. I am into FOSS for a couple of years now but I am a man of action so I do most of the things I plan and do not stay in plans.I am currently the event manager of Association of Greek Users and Friends of FS / OSS (GREEKLUG) and I was responsible for organizing the host and speech of Richard Stallman here in Thessaloniki, which was a huge success. I spend four days with him and I learned many things about the meaning of Free Software, among other things, and got deeply effected and motivated by his words. I started working with openSUSE almost a year ago and I became ambassador on that summer. Since I became ambassador I made quite a few things about it, as I said a man of action. Me along with Stathis 'Diamond_gr' Iosifidis organized the Greek openSUSE community from scratch. We re-activated the Greek IRC channel which was almost dead. We started the http://amb.opensuse.gr so that the world can see our actions as ambassadors. We were the openSUSE team at the 75th International Trade Fair of Thessaloniki. We made a call for all Greek Geekos to gather and for a community, although at that time (a few months ago) almost every 'expert' told us that it would end up a great failure, we never stopped fighting and finally we prove them wrong. We recently started translating the openSUSE Weekly news and I am responsible for gathering and checking the translation. We started re-organize and translating the Greek wiki. We went to Athens were we actually met suseRocks and spoke with him about several matters about the community and the project.I went to several city’s all over Greece in order to meet in person people of the Greek community because I strongly believe that face to face communication builds actual trust and I do whatever is possible to prove people that I truly deserve their trust. Greek ambassador team trusted me to be the one communicating the board if needed in order to separate jobs inside the Greek community. I participated in several innovating events for openSUSE like the Xariseto Free festival. I represented openSUSE to an event at primary school in Thessaloniki for celebrating Software Freedom Day 2010. Beyond the Greek community I participate actively in the marketing and the ambassador teams and I am trying to do the same at other teams too. Andreas Jaeger recently trusted me to be the one of three at the Ambassador Welcome Team. I probably forgot some of the things I do but the general idea about me as a person and also my moto for my campaign is 'Planning is good, but acting is better'. I totally believe in team working and I think that I co-operate great with others. I am a Hacker in life more than I am a hacker in programming,in fact I don't know almost no programming at all nor I am good at solving technically nature problems. I tend to like my disadvantages and use them as actual advantages. I think outside of the box and try to think with as much playful cleverness as I can get. I believe deeply in evolution and I am not afraid to bleed my ego for evolution to come. I don't stare at targets, I hit them till I get them and I never give up. If you read the whole text above I truly thank you,if not I can understand you ;-) I hope for your support Kostas Koudaras (Warlordfff) -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Please note...
by Andreas Jaeger 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

I just published the following at http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/11/22/please-note/: I’m going on parental leave from December 14th to February 13th, 2011. My son was born in January and now it’s my time to help a bit more out at home. My wife has many plans for me and I have some myself as well including changing diapers, some work at the house, celebrating christmas, showing off our kids to their grandparents, aunts and uncles, getting my son settled in the daycare, building a snow man… I hope some days of vacation will be in there as well so that I can be refreshed again when I return back to the Novell office to continue working for openSUSE. Right now, I try to find some people that take over some of my responsibilities. I will take care that everything I do which is important will be handled during the time, e.g. even better reaction to PromoDVD shipping – and silently hope that after the parental everything works far better without me than right now ;) So, you all have a short break from me. I don’t know how much time I’ll spend online but I know I will not be in the office and don’t want to be fully engaged during my leave. I’m looking forward to both the parental leave and also to return – and will read regularly the openSUSE planet to see what’s happening! During my absence, Jacqueline Junghanns will take over and handle most of my responsibilities. Some of you might know Jacqueline from the openSUSE conferences which she helped to organize. I hand over the virtual mikrophone to Jacqueline to introduce herself: Jacqueline Jacqueline “Hi, my name is Jacqueline Junghanns and I can say that I am a SUSE dinosaur as I had my ten year anniversary just a couple of weeks ago and I do not plan to extinct any time soon ;) . I am very much looking forward to dive into the openSUSE project because I already got the chance to help out “backstage” and I am glad about this new opportunity. During my ten years I gathered experience in various areas such as hardware certification and right now as a team assistant for OPS.” Sending of PromoDVDs One thing I have handled in the past, is sending out of PromoDVDs and other promotional material for events. We do have a good stock of openSUSE 11.3 DVDs available and happily send them out for events. Please start using the address promodvds(a)opensuse.org to request them – and right now Jacqueline and myself will answer, later only Jacqueline. -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [election-officials] Notice of Intend
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 01 Dec '10

01 Dec '10

Just forwarded Chucks Mail to opensuse-project. ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Betreff: [election-officials] Notice of Intend Datum: Mittwoch, 1. Dezember 2010, 09:44:10 Von: Chuck Payne <terrorpup(a)gmail.com> Bis: election-officials(a)opensuse.org Hi, I like to throw my name in as a candidate for board of openSUSE. For the past two years I have been helping out as Ambassador, but I have been a SUSE user since 5.3. I love my work with openSUSE, and I want to do more. I think my experince as System Administrator, End User, Mentor, and Ambassador, plus years of experience would be a big plus to board and to the community. Sincerely, Chuck "PUP" Payne a.k.a terrorpup/lupinstein -- ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD,ï¿½ an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. ------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns open-slx GmbH openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.saschamanns.de Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German) Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) Open-SLX : Linux convenient, simple, secure and complete

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[opensuse-project] Intent to run for openSUSE Board
by Sebastian Kügler 01 Dec '10

01 Dec '10

Hey openSUSE community, valued election committee, Following up on the call for candidates, I'd like to let you know that I'm intending to run for the openSUSE Board. In my dayjob, I am responsible for user experience at open-slx, and will be able to invest time on a regular basis into participating in the openSUSE board. I have a degree in business science, which gives me some formal insight into organisational processes, this has helped my work for the KDE e.V. in the past, and it will surely be benefitial for openSUSE. I am 34 years old, and live in Nijmegen, in the east of the Netherlands. I have more than 4 years of experience in administering a Free software project (I'm member of the KDE e.V. board since 2006), and during this period have helped turning the KDE e.V. into an effective community representation and supporting organisation, which in many ways acts as a role model to other, similar organisations. The Geeko in me is about 9 years old, it started with openSUSE 7.2, which got me hooked on Linux. After a period of trying all kinds of Linuxen, I'm firmly back to openSUSE for about two years now. openSUSE represents to me a technically excellent product with a friendly, helpful and skilled community around it that is failing to realise its potential, and in many ways is searching for orientation and a clear mission. Aside from organisational topics, this process I'd like to facilitate. My platform for the elections is to help set up the openSUSE e.V. (or rather a legal representation of the community, as outlined in the current plans), and to help the community through the process of becoming more independent from Novell, which in my opinion is important for the growth and sustainability of openSUSE as product and community. I'm a Free software dude by heart, and the principle and ethics of the Free software community will be what drives my decisions as executive. My experience as "cat-herder" will be beneficial in the same way. I do realise that my involvement in the openSUSE community has been fairly transparant, following things from the sideline, stepping in actively here and there, and certainly far from taking on any role as rock-star. I am planning to further ramp up my profile, since that a) will make the members' decision during the elections a lot easier, and b) it improves accessibility and visibility of the TOTRoS (The Organisation That Represents openSUSE). This email is just to let you know in advance that I'm intending to run for the board. As I /also/ intend to go on vacation on Friday, I might appear unresponsive until ~christmas. Still, I opted for letting everybody know early on that I'm intending to run (rather than sending my note of intent to run after christmas), as planning will likely make the work of the election committee a bit easier. Surely, if you've questions already, feel free to ask. I will, after returning from vacation be more outgoing about my involvement with openSUSE and my ideas and plans for the openSUSE board. Thanks for your attention, and your support. *jumps off the soapbox* Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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