November 2010 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] What's the latest on the strategy discussion?
by Per Jessen 21 Dec '10

21 Dec '10

I guess Joos is kinda running it now, but are we getting closer to getting it finalized? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE LTS
by Pascal Bleser 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Oh yeah, here is *that* topic again ;) (and make sure to read Greg's post about Tumbleweed as well, as it is a similar kind of project, even though they are diametrically opposed ;D) Wolfgang Rosenauer (our local firefox/mozilla hero) made an interesting post on his blog, in case you're not following http://planet.opensuse.org (shame on you!): http://www.rosenauer.org/blog/2010/11/30/community-powered-long-term-suppor… Stop here. Please read that post. Done? OK, here are my 0.02EUR to that. The idea of an "openSUSE LTS" and/or "openSLES" aren't new indeed, and I suppose that most can remember the discussions around it some time ago. And from here on, by "LTS", I (and Wolfgang) mean "longer than 18 months" ;) There are basically two options on how to achieve that, from a technical perspective: 1) an LTS based on openSUSE 2) a rebranded SLES With "openSUSE LTS", the idea is, as Wolfgang already explained in his blog post, to pick up an openSUSE release when Novell (and the community) stops supporting it, when it goes EOL, which is after 18 months as of now. The effort can be a bit daunting, as it means keeping track of security vulnerabilities, backport fixes for those, or possibly upgrade to a newer version when backporting is too much work (e.g. Firefox). That's pretty much what is being done by the SUSE Security team and us (the community) during the lifetime of a release. But for longer and, hence, it is also more work (the older the packages, the more work it is to backport). The infrastructure provided on build.opensuse.org would certainly come in very handy. Especially when it'll have patch support :) "openSLES" is a totally different beast, as it means using the source packages of a SLES release and rebrand them. The obvious advantage is that it would most presumably be less work, as the hard work will already have been done by the Security team and the staff at Novell that does the SLES maintenance. But it would also be a rogue project: Novell cannot legally prevent anyone from doing just that as, albeit you do need a subscription to have access to them, the updates are also available as source packages. Nevertheless, it is not something Novell would like to see happening as they (or at least a few people I've talked to about it) believe it could be hurting their SLES business. While I don't personally share that opinion, and before 100 people comment negatively on this, it is a *fact* that no one can give any assurance or hard proof that it will not hurt the SLES business. Yes, we all know about CentOS, and a few know a few things about CentOS and Redhat I won't be citing in public (but let's say that some people who might or might not be working for Redhat have or haven't said that they believe that CentOS is effectively helping them spreading RHEL, but only off the record. or not.). But there are no hard facts or numbers to give any proof or guarantee that it would be the same with an "openSLES". And, personally, the last thing I'd want is people from Novell/SUSE losing their job because of that. Furthermore, Novell would clearly not be supportive of such a move, and it's not sure whether we would be able to use resources such as build.o.o for it. Long story short, I personally believe that the only viable option is "openSUSE LTS", but it does bring some technical challenges which require a certain number of committed contributors working on the maintenance. I really concur with Wolfgang's idea/proposal to start off with a server-oriented subset/core of openSUSE and try to keep that maintained for half a year or more, and learn from that experience to see whether we can realistically take on doing that for a longer period of time. Ideas, (constructive) criticism? :) (and thanks for reading so far, I know my mails are way too long) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM XI: 5 + 6 Feb 2011, http://fosdem.org

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[opensuse-project] on artwork
by Alin Marin Elena 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Hi there, I have a macbook pro aluminium crap on which I run opensuse... Due to my usage the poor thing it is exposed to scratches... my wrist watch mainly... As I have no intention of getting rid of the mac, the watch or the habit, I decided to get a skin to protect the mac... This is where I got an idea... It seems that there are plenty of websites that offer the possibility to skin your laptop. I was wondering if at project level we can "associate" in a way with one of them... The project provides official artwork to skin the device, we the supporters can buy it, for each bought the project gets back few shekels... What do you think about? would be a good way to increase visibility of the project and maybe get some money for it too. regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] news.o.o team
by Jos Poortvliet 09 Dec '10

09 Dec '10

Hi all! I bet most of you have heard of this website, news.opensuse.org. Sometimes people post random vaguely openSUSE-related stuff there. Now I thought it would be fun to create a team around that - work a bit more structured :D People with the rights to post there now post whatever they like, whenever they like. Not that that is always a bad thing, but having a little more oversight to guarantee quality and timing would be good (eg 3 articles on one day then nothing for 3 days sucks; and sometimes there is some Germanglish in there too). It ain't hard - if you are currently writing there every now and then you want to be on the team. If you are willing and able to edit posts every now and then - you want to be on the team. If you want to WRITE for news, you don't HAVE to be on the team - you can just submit stuff and the editors will edit and publish it. So who's up for this? And I expect AJ and Henne at the very least to volunteer, Sascha, you too :D I'm going for everyone who has contributed a lot of stories to News.o.o to be on the team. Or those who can and want to write... So Helen? You! Cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] Announcing openSUSE Tumbleweed project
by Greg KH 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Hi all, There's been many discussions over the past years about a "rolling update" version of openSUSE on lots of different mailing lists and in person a different conferences. So the time now is to stop talking about it, and actually trying to do it :) So, I'd like to propose "openSUSE Tumbleweed" a repo that is a rolling updated version of openSUSE containing the latest "stable" versions of packages for people to use. To help clear up any questions about this, here are some answers to ones that I have heard a lot recently when discussing this: Q: How does this differ from Factory and the recently announced Factory-Tested? A: Factory always contains the bleeding edge versions of our packages that the maintainers have created. Sometimes these packages don't work well together and cause the machine to fail to boot (Hence the need for Factory-Tested). Tumbleweed will contain "stable" versions of these latest packages that have been deemed to "work" properly. A good example of how Tumbleweed is different from Factory would be to look at the kernel package today in Factory. It is 2.6.37-rc as the goal is to have the final 2.6.37 release in the next 11.4 release. But, it is still under active development and not recommended for some people who don't like reporting kernel bugs. For this reason, Tumbleweed would track the stable kernel releases, in this case, it would stay at 2.6.36 until the upstream kernel is released in a "stable" format. Q: What types of packages would be updated in Tumbleweed? A: What do you want to see updated? Seriously, this is something that anyone can request their packages to be updated. We will rely on the maintainers of the packages to be the ones determining the "stable" versions to be pushed into Tumbleweed. This can help with projects that don't always line up their release dates with existing openSUSE releases. If (for example) GNOME 3.0 comes out and is deemed "stable" 1 month after a openSUSE happens, users would not have to wait 6 more months to use it in a semi-stable form. Q: But wait, can't you do this today on your own by just adding a bunch of different repos to zypper and relying on that? A: Yes, you can, but if my zypper repo list is any example, that gets unwieldy (I seem to average about 12 per machine), and we don't want to have every user be forced to do this on their own. Tumbleweed would provide a single place for users that want to be on the semi-bleeding edge of packages, to have it all in one place. I'd like to do this "for real" after 11.4 is out, just due to the amount of time it will take to get the workflow down properly, and due to some other time constraints on my plate at the moment. I anticipate trying this out to start with based on 11.3 but I don't guarantee it all working properly right at the moment. So, any thoughts, ideas, objections? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Some figures about the bug day
by Vincent Untz 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

Hey, I just wanted to share a few figures from the bug day that happened last Saturday, and get feedback about it. As a reminder, the topic of this bug day was the zombie bugs, that we wanted to either close or move to 11.3/11.4. Figures ======= Open bugs in: 10.2 10.3 11.0 Before: 40 162 526 After: 15 89 360 (note that you might get different figures if you look for the figures yourself: for some reasons, some bugs are private :/) At least 10 people participated (and I would think the right number is more like 15), as far as I can tell by a quick look at my (now incomplete) IRC log. Thanks to all of them! We had a few more people joining #opensuse-bugs (which used to be empty). Some already left it, but you're welcome to stay on that channel :-) Feedback ======== IMHO, this went quite well and we made good progress. Some people already suggested to do another bug day next week! I don't think it was decided yet, though. To the developers: you probably got bug mails this week-end :-) Was there any big mistake that was done? Are you happy with the way it went? To participants, and potential participants: - I'd love to hear from people here if the fact that it was on a Saturday helped you or made it harder for you to participate. - also, we produced only a small documentation [1] for this bug day. Is there anything that we should add to this doc? - anything else we could improve? Thanks, [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bug_Day Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Please note...
by Andreas Jaeger 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

I just published the following at http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/11/22/please-note/: I’m going on parental leave from December 14th to February 13th, 2011. My son was born in January and now it’s my time to help a bit more out at home. My wife has many plans for me and I have some myself as well including changing diapers, some work at the house, celebrating christmas, showing off our kids to their grandparents, aunts and uncles, getting my son settled in the daycare, building a snow man… I hope some days of vacation will be in there as well so that I can be refreshed again when I return back to the Novell office to continue working for openSUSE. Right now, I try to find some people that take over some of my responsibilities. I will take care that everything I do which is important will be handled during the time, e.g. even better reaction to PromoDVD shipping – and silently hope that after the parental everything works far better without me than right now ;) So, you all have a short break from me. I don’t know how much time I’ll spend online but I know I will not be in the office and don’t want to be fully engaged during my leave. I’m looking forward to both the parental leave and also to return – and will read regularly the openSUSE planet to see what’s happening! During my absence, Jacqueline Junghanns will take over and handle most of my responsibilities. Some of you might know Jacqueline from the openSUSE conferences which she helped to organize. I hand over the virtual mikrophone to Jacqueline to introduce herself: Jacqueline Jacqueline “Hi, my name is Jacqueline Junghanns and I can say that I am a SUSE dinosaur as I had my ten year anniversary just a couple of weeks ago and I do not plan to extinct any time soon ;) . I am very much looking forward to dive into the openSUSE project because I already got the chance to help out “backstage” and I am glad about this new opportunity. During my ten years I gathered experience in various areas such as hardware certification and right now as a team assistant for OPS.” Sending of PromoDVDs One thing I have handled in the past, is sending out of PromoDVDs and other promotional material for events. We do have a good stock of openSUSE 11.3 DVDs available and happily send them out for events. Please start using the address promodvds(a)opensuse.org to request them – and right now Jacqueline and myself will answer, later only Jacqueline. -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Announcing openSUSE Tumbleweed project
by Greg KH 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:26:02PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote: > My concern is more that Packman does not support Factory at all to my > knowledge. Not even the milestones and RCs. Take that up with the Packman developers, nothing we can do about this. > So Tumbleweed would to be more like a released product from this perspective > than like a more stable version of factory. No, not at all, that's not what it will be. > Is it worth discussing tumbleweed sticking to a openSUSE released kernel? No. > I assume the kernel is the biggest concern for these issues. For the closed source drivers, yes. But again, this isn't anything we can control or should be concerned with. If you are concerned with it, please take it up with the Packman developers. good luck, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Today is a Great day for the Greek Community
by Kostas Koudaras 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

The Greek openSUSE Team is pleased to inform you that the translation of openSUSE Weekly News issue 150 is a fact, take a look: http://el.opensuse.org/Weekly_news Today is a Great day for the Greek Community, today after two meetings we made to show all (including ourselves) that we were not just big fat words and that we can make things happen as a team that is bigger than 3 or 4 people. We know we are late, we were not in a hurry, we wanted it done correctly. We made it and we are really proud of it. When we started creating the Greek community many people told us that it would end up a great failure. Today we say to them: -You Are Wrong. We know we have road ahead of us, but Every great journey must start with one small step. Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] multimedia team proposal
by Dave Plater 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

Hi, I sent out a proposal for a multimedia team to factory, packaging and multimedia lists and I think I overlooked the most important one - this list. Anyway we have the intention for a multimedia wiki page and a few interested users, one a developer of some of the apps we have in the two main multimedia devel projects and one that's focused on music production who is interested in creating a wiki focused on music production using openSUSE. I'm an active maintainer of multimedia apps and libs. Any suggestions, guidance or participation will be welcomed. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Greek openSUSE community, Our first meeting
by Kostas Koudaras 28 Nov '10

28 Nov '10

Yesterday the Greek openSUSE community had it's first meeting. The purpose of this meeting was all of those who are interesting on participate to decide the next steps of our community together. Me(Warlordfff) and Stathis(Diamond_gr) had no experience on how to organize such a meeting so we made a lot of mistakes,had many difficulties and many things went wrong but finally we managed to make some decisions about certain points and we decided to have another meeting exclusively at IRC this time,sometime next weekend. The topics we talked was: Official translation of 11.4 and the creation of a translators team about it. Two members showed interest about it: Kostas Boukouvalas (who is already a openSUSE translator) Michael Vourlakos Kostas Boukouvalas has created a wiki page about the translation (http://el.opensuse.org/%CE%92%CE%BF%CE%AE%CE%B8%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:%CE%9C%CE… ) Forum: Creation of a Greek Section at http://forums.opensuse.org. The members that expressed interest about taking responsibilities on that section were: Stratos Zolotas (Baskinsy) Stathis Iosifidis (Diamond_gr) Kostas Koudaras (warlordfff) Kostas Boukouvalas (Boukouvalas) George (Etern4l) Wiki:We decided all members to contribute by translating parts of the wiki in Greek.Also there was a suggestion about organizing a mini hackfest for the translation of our wiki. LI-F-E: We talked about making a Greek division of LI-F-E incorporating the packages of the Greek ministry of education. OBS:We decided to form a team about OBS,the team will take some packages for maintenance and Support,also to create packages that are not available for openSUSE (such packages are the packages of the Greek ministry of education that we need so that we create our LI-F-E division) Finally we decided to process all that in our mailing list the whole week and talk about all that and more at our next meeting. Kostas "Warlordfff" Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] How to announce team meetings?
by Andreas Jaeger 25 Nov '10

25 Nov '10

I see different teams announce their team meetings in different ways and suggest to discuss how to do it the best way - and document it. Here's one proposal for this: == Announcing Team Meetings == * Create a meeting page in the wiki to collect the agenda * Add the meeting to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings * Get the meeting in the calendar on news.o.o - this way the openSUSE Weekly News Team will add it to their calendar * Announce it via opensuse-announce(a)opensuse.org and news.o.o. for the first meeting or for special meetings * Announce it on your team mailing list * Good practice: Announce a preliminary agenda with topics for the meeting and not only that it will take place Right now we have both the wiki calendar in the meetings portal and the news.o.o calendar, I propose to remove the wiki calendar and point to news.o.o. Thoughts on this? Btw. - I would add the result of our discussion to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Meetings, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Where do we need to improve?
by Rupert Horstkötter 23 Nov '10

23 Nov '10

Community, during our bi-weekly Board Meetings on IRC we have a regular agenda topic “Where do we need to improve?”. We’re very much interested in ideas you may have to improve the inner workings of the Community/Project and we also like to provide an opportunity to step up and make us aware of complaints you may have with various aspects of the Community/Project. We’re particular interested in addressing those issues that are both fast and easy to fix while providing a significant advantage to our success and the sake of our community. That said, we feel that stepping up during an IRC session alone 1. may require too much spontaneous engagement, 2. doesn’t provide a sufficient opportunity to brainstorm in advance and 3. doesn’t provide an opportunity to preselect feature request and/or complaints by popularity/importance. As a result, we assume that we aren’t able to use this agenda topic to its full potential as a Community yet, both from a reporting and resolving perspective. Thus, we decided to start over and utilize openFATE [1] as a companion to the already established agenda topic in order to address the drawbacks of the current process. We herewith like to ask you to create feature requests and/or complaints within openFATE, select the product “openSUSE.org”, discuss them in advance and we, the openSUSE Board, will have a look at those and get more input while providing more output in less time that way. Hope you like it! Please keep in mind that we’re looking for feature requests and/or complaints which we’re able to resolve both fast and easy either during an IRC session or at least in two weeks between meetings, i.e. a request to achieve world domination doesn’t fit very well here. Best, your openSUSE Board [1] https://features.opensuse.org/ -- Rupert Horstkötter open-slx Community Manager openSUSE Board Member http://open-slx.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] long term support status
by Wolfgang Rosenauer 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

Hi, probably I'm missing something but anyone knows a current status on the "LTS" effort? I checked the wiki which was set up last year but there is nothing new apparently. Is this the right list to discuss that again or is a better/specific one somewhere else? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.3 DVD Coverart
by Sankar P 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

Hi, I would like to make some openSUSE DVDs myself and distribute them for some training related activities. Is there a way I can get the cover art used for the 11.3 promo DVDs (joyous people jumping) ? Thanks. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Attachmate is acquiring Novell
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

FYI, Attachmate is acquiring Novell: http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-agrees-to-be-acquired-by-attachmate- corporation/ From the announcement "Attachmate Corporation plans to operate Novell as two business units: Novell and SUSE;" I have no news yet on what this means for openSUSE besides the above line. We'll keep you informed as soon as we hear more... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Zombie bugzilla entries
by Jiri Slaby 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

Hi, recently, I've been crawling through open bugzilla entries and found out few which are being years unattended. I investigated further and there are few problems tightly connected to that. 1) There are open bncs against no longer maintained releases. 10.2+10.3+11.0 reported bugs count is 803 now. These reports are years old and doesn't fit to the current codebase and hence should be mostly closed. This obviously won't help anything since there will accumulate similarly useless (from the code perspective) reports after some time again. A solution is to close these automatically right after the product which they are reported against become unmaintained. The ones which still can be reproduced in later releases would be reopened manually by reporters. This is how fedora bugs are handled. 2) Assigned entries, even though they are P1, even though there are patches with fixes attached, are not taken care of. There is 1572 of all opensuse bugs which are left for more than 400 days without any attention. Many of them are not even reassigned to proper maintainers. Both of these poblems currently suck, because reporters are noticed after 3 years that we close their report without bothering to reply them in any way. Any ideas how to improve these bugzilla stats? Does the proposed "solution" sound OK? thanks, -- js suse labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] IRC cloaking for opensuse members
by Togan Muftuoglu 22 Nov '10

22 Nov '10

Hi, If my eyesight is still OK,I can't seem to find any info regarding IRC nickname editing in the user profile page (https://users.opensuse.org/my/profile). Does anyone know whom to contact for the opensuse cloaking of IRC nickname. Thanks Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Some additional comments, thoughts and questions about openFATE screening
by Satoru Matsumoto 19 Nov '10

19 Nov '10

After yesterday's openFATE screening team IRC meeting, I've overviewed recently requested features (via new instance) and got some additional impressions and questions which should be shared and further discussed. # You can read the mention below on http://openfate.titanpad.com/notes # as well. ;-) * Users can now request features for 'SUSE Gallary' and 'SUSE Studio Online (Hosted Service)' as well. As a part of openSUSE project, should screening team be responsible to features for 'SUSE Gallary' and 'SUSE Studio Online (Hosted Service)'? * Tags listed on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Openfate_screening#Tags are mostly appropriate for the features for the product "openSUSE 11.4", but not suitable for which for other products such as Buildservice, Package Wishlist, openFATE ... Do we need to prepare some more additional primary tags, or, tag them as "misc" anyway? * There's a newly requested feature "Include Pacman and VLC repos in OBS" https://features.opensuse.org/preview/310793 As Rémy has commented there, this feature cannot be realized due to legal issue. In such a case, may I move the status from "unconfirmed" to "rejected"? * Look at this feature: "Please add Python Turbogears to OBS" https://features.opensuse.org/preview/310794 I think this is a kind of 'Package Wishlist'. But in this case, a user has already built the package in his home project. Can I move the status from "unconfirmed" to "done"? Or, should I ask the requester "Do you want the software to be included in standard repository?" * The term "Customer benefit" evokes "Novell-Costomer" relationship. As a FLOSS community, we openSUSE don't have customers but users. Therefore I think it should be "User benefit". * In case the request is something like "openSUSE adopts A as default now. Let's replace A with B and set B as default!", it might be difficult to decide whether we should adopt the request or not. # You may remember the endless flame war "Default DE - KDE vs GNOME" See for example: "Include Unity as alternative GNOME GUI" https://features.opensuse.org/preview/310804 It is tagged as 'gnome' now, but I don't think GNOME people will accept including Unity *as alternative GNOME GUI*. :-P 1) Let's replace A with B and set B as default! 2) Let's add B in addition to A so that users can easily take their choice! I think 1 and 2 have very different meanings. But sometimes it is very vague whether a feature request says 1 or 2. So the question is, how should we navigate such kind of requests? * It takes thousands of man-hours to verify each feature request whether it is duplicated or already done. :-( We definitely need a solution for this problem. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2011 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2011
by Ronald Schmidt 18 Nov '10

18 Nov '10

Hallo openSUSE-Team, (english version below) voller Vorfreude dürfen wir bekannt geben, dass die Chemnitzer Linux-Tage[1] auch im Jahr 2011 wieder stattfinden. Die Linux-Tage in Chemnitz sind Deutschlands größte nicht kommerziell organisierte Veranstaltung rund um Linux und Freie Software. Die zweitägige Veranstaltung beinhaltet ein umfangreiches Vortragsprogramm und eine Ausstellung. So werden in etwa 90 Vorträgen Grundlagen, Projekte, Arbeiten und Erkenntnisse rund um das Thema Linux vorgestellt. Auf der Ausstellungsfläche bieten wir 60 Projekten die Möglichkeit, sich einem großen Publikum zu präsentieren - Stand, Strom, Internet und Poster inklusive. Im Jahr 2010 erlebten 2600 Besucher unsere Veranstaltung und waren, wie in den Vorjahren, begeistert. Zahlreiche Fotos und Blog-Einträge erzählen davon[2]. Die Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2011 finden am 19. und 20. März statt und stehen unter dem Motto "Freiheit leben". Mit dieser Mail möchten wir auf den Call for Lectures[3] und den Call for Presentations[4] hinweisen. Wenn Ihr Euer Projekt bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen präsentieren möchtet, meldet Euch bitte rechtzeitig mit einer aussagekräftigen Beschreibung an. Alle Referenten, Aussteller und Helfer erhalten unser kostenloses und legendäres Rundum-Sorglos-Paket mit Vollverpflegung, Eintritt sowie der Teilnahme an der Abendveranstaltung am Eröffnungstag. Sollte es noch offene Fragen geben, zögert nicht, Euch zum Thema Ausstellung an live(a)linux-tage.de oder zum Thema Vorträge an vortraege(a)linux-tage.de zu wenden. Viele Grüße aus Chemnitz [1] http://www.linux-tage.de/ [2] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/info/bilder.html [3] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/vortraege/call_form [4] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/live/call_form ------------------------- english version ---------------------------- Dear openSUSE team, We are happy to announce to you the 13th Chemnitz' Linux Days[1] in March, 2011. Linux Days are the most popular uncommercially organised event regarding Linux and open source software in Germany. The two-day event offers a wide lecture programme with just about 90 lectures about basics, projects, workings, and findings. Furthermore, we provide an exhibition space to present a lot of projects to the public. As in previous years, more than 2.500 visitors were greatly impressed by the event in 2010. Pictures and blog entries give an impression[2]. Chemnitz' Linux Days 2011, themed "Living Freedom", take place on March 19 and 20, 2011. The Call for Lectures[3] and the Call for Presentations[4] have already started. If you would like to showcase your project as well, please sign up yourself and do not forget to enter a convincing description. All speakers, exhibitors and helpers get free entry, full board, and a free ticket for the evening event on saturday. In case of open queries, please do not hesitate to contact live(a)linux-tage.de related to the exhibition or vortraege(a)linux-tage.de related to lectures and workshops. Kind regards from Chemnitz [1] http://www.linux-tage.de/ [2] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/info/bilder.html [3] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/vortraege/call_form [4] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/live/call_form

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[opensuse-project] Next meeting for the Greek openSUSE Community
by Kostas Koudaras 18 Nov '10

18 Nov '10

We finally decided that the next meeting of our community will take place at Friday 19/11 at 20:00 UTC (22:00 Greek time) on IRC at Freenode #opensuse-el We will discuss among other things about the future of our community, the organization of teams about OBS,Wiki,a translators team and an edu LI-F-E team. We will also discuss about the targets that we want to succeed as a local community and put some dead-lines on them. The meeting will be in Greek language and its an open meeting to everybody. Kostas 'warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens I gave exams for God , but I failed in miracles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Link Exchange Request
by hikae electronics 13 Nov '10

13 Nov '10

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Re: [opensuse-project] What's the latest on the strategy discussion?
by Alin Marin Elena 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Pascal, personally I have no frustrations related to opensuse... I would be an hypocrite to say opensuse does not fulfil my needs or fulfils them 100%. The role, I agree minimal, that I have at the moment it is a personal choice, I do not want to be anything I cannot afford to be. My post wanted to be an opener for a serious discussion on the strategy of opensuse. Mainly, a clear separation between feature decision and feature execution. I can give you specifically examples when this separation failed... but I leave it at a general level, as we are not in a witch hunting contest. Meritocracy and professionalism are vague concepts, big words in some philosophical contexts, in practise I am afraid are difficult to define, except environments which are orthogonal with the opensource one. All projects that want to be open, in my opinion should erase from their dictionaries these two... Alin On Fri 12 Nov 2010 00:55:07 you wrote: > On 2010-11-09 11:25:02 (+0000), Alin Marin Elena <alinm.elena(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > If we try to differentiate ourselves from other linux distros, in my > > opinion, we should try to be a real community distro... > > A place where ideas are assest independent of whom emanetes them... > > and where coders, packagers lend their skills to the community and > > they are not the drivers of what goes in... > > That sounds quite a bit offensive. > What is your gripe here ? You feel underrepresented because you're not a > packager ? > > "What goes in" seems to specifically target the distribution. > Well, a distribution is mostly a set of packages, where packaging > represents 80-90% of the work that has to be done to create it in the > first place. > (then you have testers/reporters, documentation, translations, etc..., > of course -- I'd be the last to tone down any contribution, whatever > domain it is) > And in that perspective, the packagers are doing the packaging and, > hence, are influencing what goes into the distro. > (the final decision is with Coolo though, luckily :)) > > On a side note, I don't think you will find any other Linux distribution > project where it is as easy to get a packager do the work for you. > It has been numerous times where people have come around on #packman, on > #suse, on #opensuse-buildservice, or on mailing-lists, have asked > whether someone could take care of packaging X or Y, and it was done > swiftly. > > > A place where your idea is rubbish cause you never commited code, you > > never packaged something... > > I don't understand why you sound so frustrated. > Where did that happen ? > > We definitely are a group of people who value contributions, whatever > contribution it is, be it packaging, writing software, marketing, > serving on the board, running the elections, writing blog posts, > artwork, writing documentation, making translations, helping people out > on mailing-lists, forums and IRC, etc etc etc ... > > And we are very, _very_ unbureaucratic compared to most other major > distributions, that's for sure. > > But a FOSS project like this one should and will remain a meritocracy. > Anything else is doomed to fail, because that is one of the main reasons > why people actually spend their free time for 0 bucks on something like > this. > > You do great stuff (in whatever domain), you spend a lot of energy and > time, you deserve credit. It's that simple really. And the complete > opposite of corporate environments ;) > > cheers -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] /me is leaving
by Michael Loeffler 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Moin, after 7 years with SUSE and Novell I've chosen to change something in my life - and decided to accept a new job and will lay down my duties in the openSUSE project. I've been with the openSUSE project already prior to its launch in August 2005 and experienced a number of highs and lows. Overall the project has been shaping up nicely, we reached a lot of our goals and the just passed openSUSE conference reflects this pretty well in my opinion. Just to stop any rumours - I leave Novell because I found a new job in the trade show management area close to Nuremberg. Trade show management is where my expertise is and where I worked prior to coming to openSUSE. While I enjoyed the work at openSUSE, organizing the openSUSE conference meant doing what I really love and my new job will give me many more conferences and trade shows to plan and organise. As I will leave Novell before the end of December the project needs a new openSUSE chairman who should serve until the openSUSE foundation is created. Best wishes to the openSUSE project and the people behind it. I had a lot of fun over the past 7 years, met numerous outstanding people and learned a lot which will help me in my future life. Best Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Strategy: the third and fourth part of the trilogy!
by Jos Poortvliet 09 Nov '10

09 Nov '10

Hi all, The last week we again received over 100 comments on the first and second part of our strategy. A few refinements came in on our description of our target users, but most of the input was on the second part about what we offer. We have again incorporated all the comments into the document and a new iteration can be found on co-ment [1]. And now, the third piece of text has been added: What does openSUSE not do? [1] Besides this, we added some 'background information' to the strategy, including ideas on our competition, what openSUSE might gain and loose from this strategy and how openSUSE should look like in 2 years from now. Like with "Target Users" and "What does openSUSE offer it's users" we would really appreciate it if you could give your input on co-ment but we will accept any kind of input on any channel we can follow. So if co-ment isn't your thing, feel free to comment below this post, on the forums or anywhere else. For those new to co-ment [2] - it is a pretty awesome commenting tool under the GNU Affero GPL [3]. Giving your input on co-ment will make the discussion a bit more structured and easier for everyone to follow. How-to: select some text you want to comment on (a word, a few words, a sentence) and choose the little yellow + sign on the top-left of the page to add your comment. If you click a colored section of the text, you can see the comments which have been made to that section it and add your own voice to the discussion. Easy peasy! For reference find the openSUSE Strategy portal on the wiki [4]. Have fun! Greetings, Your strategy team [1] https://lite.co-ment.com/text/lNPCgzeGHdV/view/ [2] http://www.co-ment.com/about/ [3] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/agpl-3.0.html [4] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Strategy

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