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[opensuse-project] Conference slides
by Martin Vidner 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

Hi all, Thank you for the conference. It was good to meet you in person. Now I have even more projects I would like to work on... I would like to enhance my short reports from the conference (still to be posted) by including the links to the speakers' slides. Ideally they would be linked from http://conference.opensuse.org/schedule/ but that page is not a wiki. So can the speakers please post the links to their slides into this thread? -- Martin Vidner, YaST developer http://en.opensuse.org/User:Mvidner Kuracke oddeleni v restauraci je jako fekalni oddeleni v bazenu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Status of initiative on openSUSE LTS/openSLES
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Hello Everyone, The voting to choose a name had the following top choices. 1 openSUSE Enterprise Server (OSES) *[1] 2. Geeko Enterprise Linux (GEL) *[2] Geeko Linux Enterpise Server (GLES) *[2] GreenOS (GOS) *[3] 5. SINS Is Not SLES (SINS) *[4] Community Driven Enterprise Linux (CDEL) Community Enterprise Server (CES) Yet Another Enterprise Linux (YAEL) [1] (only available for openSUSE LTS as openSUSE is trademarked) [2] (only available for openSUSE LTS as geeko is trademarked maybe use greko instead) [3] (confusion with green as usually enviromentally linked.) [4] (SLES is a possible trademarked) We have two very strong yet divergent groups. OpenSUSE LTS. The people supporting this think we should start with openSUSE 11.2. So there is no real need to do much right now as we still have 18+ months till the community needs to take over this to provide longer term support. openSLES. The people supporting this think we need to get started right now and start with SLES 11. Biggest concern is which license we use could be invalidated by Novell and then access to the updates would become limited or totally unavliable. We have two very strong small groups supporting each. Each group seems to not want to support the other group. My concern is with this fragmentation that there will not be enough trackion to make this succeed. LTS option Currently we do not have enough qualified people to do the work to really do an LTS. But with 18 months till work really needs to be done it is possible to get the needed man power. SLES option It appears we have enough qualified people to do this, but it is going to take a while as there are no funds behind this group at the moment so we would need to use a license from an existing SLES or find someone to donate and purchase a license. It is highly unlikely to have Novell give us a license as, it is seen as taking away $$$ from sales of SLES. So far I have had 80 people respond via the various medium's and there is exactly 40 people that have expressed a clear choice with approxitmitly 20 other people that are following this without expressing a clear preference. Question what do you think we should do next? Will an openSUSE LTS provide a path to SLES or just fill the needs of the openSUSE community in gaining a longer support window. What is the most beneficial to the greater openSUSE/SLES community? Which option is going to be the overall best? What are others opinions on this? -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] No Project IRC Meeting Today (Wednesday, Sept. 23)
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 23 Sep '09

23 Sep '09

Hi all, The openSUSE Project meeting for today is canceled as many of the openSUSE team are traveling or in off-site meetings today. The next meeting will be held in two weeks. If you have any questions or concerns in the meantime, please feel free to bring them up on the -project mailing list. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference discussion on openSUSE LTS/openSLE what happened?
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 22 Sep '09

22 Sep '09

Hello, Now that the conference is over, could someone summerize what happened, what was discussed. Any information for those of us that were unable to attend. I have put things on hold till this information could be received. It will really guide us on where we go next. So anyone who was able to attend and could fill in the details for us would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] After the Conference
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 21 Sep '09

21 Sep '09

Hello Mates, after the Conference i would like to say a big "Thank you" to all contributors on the Conference. Thanks :-) -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Member openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com ClaimID: http://claimid.com/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Unconference session report: 11.2 and Maintenance
by Dirk Müller 20 Sep '09

20 Sep '09

Unconference Session: openSUSE 11.2 and Maintenance Introduction: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-08/msg00372.html and following messages in this thread Discussion - NEED: - Be able to submit updates with only osc (or an additional osc plugin) - Externally visible status page of pending and released updates - Community group which handle updates for openSUSE - Security Updates must be ensured - Technical discussion: * patchinfo handling: updates currently need - summary, swampid, description, bugzilla list, package list, distribution - submitrequest extension: * open fate request which has currently no ressources for implementation vote here: https://features.opensuse.org/307621 - alternative: submit patchinfo by adding it to a pseudo package that is part of the distribution, and that can be submitrequested against 11.2 update AI rudi: develop meta package AI: Magnus Boman: test + help * handling of CRD'ed updates - lots of discussion about internal instances, or manual osc diffs - Marcus says that handling of CRD'ed updates is not important, we can wait until CRD is expired for opensuse. -> simplifies things. AI: Move Update:Test to the external buildservice * devel projects for openSUSE:11.2: * not needed for maintained products * but we need bugowner / maintainer list -> we use maintainer list from the package in Factory -> in case package is dropped, we copy the bugowner to 11.2 -> if the bugowner is unreachable, coolo is the owner * fallback bugowner is initialized in openSUSE:11.2 - Non-technical discussion: * Workflow for Updates: - Requesting an update: NEEDINFO opensuse-maint(a)opensuse.org in bugzilla - Handled by team of 3 community members and 2 Novell employees - Novell employees will hand out SWAMPIDs upon internal consultation with the team - the team has to come up with a maintenance policy AI: henne: create opensuse-maint team alias, subscribe volunteers Greetings, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Long Term Support...
by Magnus Boman 18 Sep '09

18 Sep '09

Hi All, I must be missing something here, or it might have been explained but my attention span across the zillions of emails around this topic of creating a new distro is just very bad... For openSUSE 11.1, we will have updates ('support') for 18 months. Those who wants to provide long term support for 11.1, can simply create their own updates. It wouldn't be difficult to create a common repo where people can contribute to patches for this purpose and keep doing that for some 7 years or whatever the plan is. Heck, since we're not talking massive changes and updates, anyone can help out with this, as well as working on openSUSE Factory etc. One issue with this, is that we normally clean up OBS by removing old, unsupported distro versions, but that is surely a decision that can be changed if there are such noble goals as to create a long term support cycle. By creating an entirely new distribution, some folks that previously contributed to openSUSE will no longer have time for that, and put their efforts into the new distro instead. In my opinion, we are already short of people contributing and this split will obviously make that number even smaller. So, please enlighten me what I'm not getting here... Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Calendar entries for conference
by Marcus Meissner 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Hi, I created a Google Calendar for the openSUSE conference. Should be findable by search. http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/ui8nc2uuqnfrgj87t5vmd56g24%40group.cale… http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ui8nc2uuqnfrgj87t5vmd56g24%40group… If you want to be additionaly invited directly, please drop me a mail. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference schedule with abstracts
by Cornelius Schumacher 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Is there a conference schedule with abstracts of the talks somewhere? http://conference.opensuse.org/schedule/ only lists titles which is only somewhat helpful. -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum(a)suse.de> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Long Term Support...
by jperlow＠gmail.com 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

I will add however that there does seem to be a large amount of commercial appliances using centos. Had an opensles been avaliable three or four years ago, would the situation be different today? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: jperlow(a)gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:49:32 To: Graham Anderson<graham.anderson(a)gmail.com>; <opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org> Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Long Term Support... Susestudio is indeed nice, but for compaines that want to host their own build environments a self hosting distro based on sles would be nice as well. I am acutually using suse studio myself, its a nice site. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Graham Anderson <graham.anderson(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:26:05 To: <opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org> Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Long Term Support... On Tuesday 15 September 2009 22:07:34 Jason Perlow wrote: >That SUSE seems to have ceded the market for appliance >server OS to Redhat/CentOS where an "OpenSLES" could provide some >differentiation and superiority in the build system and various other >aspects may be something that has been overlooked. > You do know that you can create a custom appliance OS from a choice of openSUSE 11.1, SLED 10 or 11 and also SLES 10 or 11 using the rather groovy susestudio.com? As far as I'm aware there's a Novell support channel available for those organisations that need it. Given that *nobody* else in the appliance server sphere has_anything_ like susestudio.com I'd hardly say this is a case of ceding the market ;) Cheers the noo Graham -- “Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.” ☘ Oscar Wilde -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7 Released
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

The openSUSE Project is happy to announce that the openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7 (M7) is available for download[1]. This release includes GNOME 2.28 beta 2, KDE 4.3.1, RPM 4.7.1, and much more. This is a Milestone Release, one of several that lead up to the 11.2 final release in November. It may not be suitable for production systems, but is ready for contributors who want to help with testing and development for 11.2. This release is of "beta" quality, and would have been labeled a beta in past openSUSE development cycles. Changes Since openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 6 ============================================ Milestone 7 includes an initial version of the YaST2 installer theme, new KDE theming, is built with RPM 4.7.1, and adds the "--download-only" option for several Zypper commands. And, of course, it includes many updated packages: * Linux kernel 2.6.31-rc9 * Valgrind 3.5 * Samba 3.4.0 * Evolution 2.27.91 * OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 RC 1 * Gwibber 1.2 A more complete list can be found on the wiki[2] and an updated list of Factory packages can be found on DistroWatch[3]. 11.2 is looking fantastic. Want screenshots? We've got 'em! Check out the shots here[4], and/or add your own. Most Annoying Bugs ====================== As this is a milestone release, 11.2 M7 does contain a few bugs that we know about, but should not stand between courageous contributors and release testing. The big bugs in 11.2 M7 are: * grub and bootsplash still use 11.1 artwork * Bug 537343:[5] GNOME live system asks for root password to mount * Bug 537470:[6] GNOME YaST Control Center cannot be started You can track the Most Annoying Bugs on the wiki[7] along with 11.2 development. Testing! Testing! Testing! ============================== As you can see, 11.2 M7 does have a few bugs that we know about -- but there may be more lurking somewhere in the release that haven't been found yet. If you want to make sure 11.2 final is free of Most Annoying Bugs, we'll need your help finding, reporting, and fixing those hidden bugs. To learn more about testing openSUSE, visit the Testing[8] pages on the openSUSE wiki. To follow the testing and development process, we suggest that you subscribe to the openSUSE-Factory mailing list, and join the #openSUSE- Factory channel on Freenode to discuss openSUSE development. Get Milestone 7 Today! ========================== What are you waiting for? Grab the milestone release today! Downloads are available at software.opensuse.org/developer/[9] now. Note, if you need to try the live CD on a machine with no CD-ROM drive, you can copy it to a USB key with the following command: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M Replace "image.iso" with the name of the ISO image that you have downloaded, and replace "sdX" with the actual device name of your USB drive. Be careful! This will erase the target device, so make sure you have the correct device name and have any vital data backed up! The next milestone is scheduled to be released on October 1, 2009. A reminder: only one more milestone release is planned for 11.2, followed by two release candidate (RC) releases. See the detailed roadmap on the on the wiki[10]. [1]: http://software.opensuse.org/developer [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Factory/News [3]: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse [4]: http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots/11.2_Milestones [5]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537343 [6]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537470 [7]: http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.2_dev [8]: http://en.opensuse.org/Testing/ [9]: http://software.opensuse.org/developer/ [10]: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap/11.2 -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference: Demo Points on Saturday
by Jan Weber 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

Hi, as the conference is getting a closer and we are looking forward to it, there are still some things that need a little bit help. The Open Day on Saturday will be the day for all who are interested in openSUSE and Free Software to drop by and get information about all this. There will be 4 Demo Points in the entrance area, for users to take a look at openSUSE, this Points need some people to drive them: So sign up and help with the demo points[1]. Thanks for your help! Cheers Jan [1] http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Demo_Booths

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[opensuse-project] Power Outage
by ml-admin＠opensuse.org 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Broadcast message from ml-admin(a)opensuse.org (/dev/pts/0) at 07:30 GMT ... The system is going down for halt NOW! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] I will use the CIVS service for the choosing of the name.
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 08 Sep '09

08 Sep '09

Hello, I really like Condorcet Internet Voting Service (CIVS) http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html I want to use it in choosing the name. I would like to have the choice done and have someone annouce it at the openSUSE Conference (Sep 17-20). So I will take all names and add them to the service. I envision having all entries by the Sep 8. Starting the voting on Sep 9 and ending on Sep 16. My question is who should be allowed to vote? Just memeber of the openSUSE community or having a registration page (location TBD) where I will take all the names and email addresses. What do you think the critera for this voting should be? I have used CIVS in the past and I think it is the best way to get the top 5 names and use them in the order the voting provides. I want to be able to make sure the name will not infringe on any copyright, trademark, or ... We will go down the list till we find one that does not violate any of it. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Four options for the openSUSE LTS/openSLES initiative currently.
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 08 Sep '09

08 Sep '09

There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overvie… They are as follows. 1. openSUSE [4] Server CD Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664. 2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release. 3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7]) with mainly Server SW. 4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9]. I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options. >From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE. https://features.opensuse.org/305664 I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available. [4,5,6,7] http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org [8] http://www.novell.com/products/server/ [9] http://www.novell.com/linux/ Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Project Meeting Wednesday September 9, 2009 at 12:00 UTC
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 08 Sep '09

08 Sep '09

The next openSUSE Project meeting will take place tomorrow (Wednesday September 9th) at 12:00 UTC. See all time zones on the Fixed Time World Clock[1]. As always, the meeting will be held in IRC on the #opensuse-project channel on Freenode. Please add your topics to the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2009-09-09 Please add topics as soon as possible. Also, if you have questions for the meeting, but can't attend (we know that the meeting times can't work for everyone) please add them to the agenda as well. We also take live questions, of course. For more on IRC meetings, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About. As always, we meet in #opensuse-project on Freenode. Fire up your favorite IRC client and head over to #opensuse-project. Not familiar with IRC? A good overview can be found at irchelp.org. This site is not affiliated with openSUSE. For more information on Freenode, see http://freenode.net/. Wondering what meeting times are? Check the openSUSE Meetings page[5]. All project meetings and team meetings should be listed there. [1]: http://is.gd/32PXK [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Naming of the new group/project and other stuff maybe at the conference.
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 08 Sep '09

08 Sep '09

Hello, After talking with a few people I would like to solicit ideas for a new name for our openSLES project. The driving factor for this is to avoid confusion with SLES. It will also allow us to avoid any conflicts with copyright, trademark and branding. So put on your hats and assist us with comping up with a new name. Also, I would like to request that maybe someone could bring up the subject of forming this group at the up comming SUSE conference. This is our chance for those attending to discuss what we may do to be able to have one voice to talk to Novell. I think that maybe using the new name could assist us in having a larger group of people joined together that will have enough buying power to be heard by the upper Novell management. I think this is a good topic for discussion at the conference. I hope we may find someone that is attending the conference to chapion it. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] New Start Ups and Systems (SLES)
by member greenarrow1 08 Sep '09

08 Sep '09

Looking at the world economic situation and a shortage of developers, not only with openSUSE but other distros this is really a bad time to be trying to develop a new system. Companies and people are just not spending and a change over to a new system even if free still would cost money when most corporations are looking at ways to cut expenses, not add more by changing over to a new system. Individuals are doing their best just to retain their current job or jobs plus maintaining what they are working on for whichever Linux system they are currently involved with. Adding to this at the current time would create further hardships on all. I am not stating adding SLES is a bad idea but at the current time it just might be hard starting this up to where it will lead to success down the road. People to include developers are facing hardships and this idea in better times would attract a lot more developers and people of interest than trying to create a system when financial problems beset most of the world. I am not against starting SLES but we all need to look ahead and make sure we have the ability to support this in the future. It is fine to select names but do we have the actual real time support to keep this going until the end, have support to maintain the system once it is finalized? Another words, do we have the base to support this entire idea and to further maintain it? PeterPac InNetInvestigations-Forensic SLED/openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki and list of current names proposed.
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

Hello All, Here is the wiki I have started http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/ and all the proposed names are on the wiki at... http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/OpenSLE… -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Decision made - openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
by Michael Loeffler 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

Hi all, the topic of a "default desktop" was raised in July as a feature[1] in our openFATE feature tracking system by a community member, and it was a subject of a lively debate within openFATE and on the openSUSE Project mailing list[2]. The default desktop is an issue that many openSUSE users and contributors are passionate about. After consideration of the project discussion I discussed the feature request further with the openSUSE Board and other leaders within the openSUSE project and came to the decision to follow the request: we will default the radio button to KDE in the DVD installer. Therefore, with openSUSE 11.2 release, the KDE desktop will be installed if the user accepts the default setting. Users can also choose the GNOME desktop at this stage. We want to make clear that both desktops are considered equal citizens within the openSUSE Project, and this will not have any impact on the quality of the GNOME desktop within openSUSE. GNOME will continue to be offered as a top- level installation choice, and we will continue to strive to provide the best GNOME and KDE desktop experience. Thanks to everyone for conducting the conversation in a professional and courteous manner and for the quality of feedback we've received. This shows the strength of our community, and it's good to know we can address the tough issues head on and remain focused on the project goals. Best Michael [1] https://features.opensuse.org/306967 [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-08/ -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More Statistics
by Stephan Kulow 04 Sep '09

04 Sep '09

Hi, I updated my scripts to rescan the last 8 weeks of apache logs for 11.2 data (it took less than 3 days - we're talking 15G of compressed apache that needs to be evaluated and my poor workstation is doing alot of other stuff :) http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics now has preliminary 11.2 data (I will reset them when 11.2 is out, for now the goal is to test the statistics - I found already smaller problems caused by aria2c now having a longer user agent) Anyway, what we see is that there are around 1000 new factory installations per week and that's great - we can assume some do fresh installations into VMs, but the number still indicates a lot of factory users. And 11.1 is still growing, which is also good - as 11.2 will still take some time (and that will also mean that many will not switch to 11.2 as they just found the time to update to 11.1 :) But http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/repos.png implies that the 11.1 hype is over, we reached again a limit we had before the 11.1 release of IPs accessing our servers (every IP counts only counts once for the oldest product). Then again, the traffic always goes down in summers (both the nothern and the southern hemisphere summer - some call the second summer christmas, but that is politically incorrect I guess :) The week in march when download.o.o was down (and I miss 60 hours of logs), had only half the IPs, so this is a neat reminder that dialup users make it impossible to guess how many users there are. We see on average 5 IPs pro cookie. So there are between 80.000 and 1.000.000 11.1 users - any more concrete number is only a guess I'm afraid. http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/42464.html claims their user base is 115% of the sum of total IPs for fedora. That again would give you 6,5 Million openSUSE 11.1 users and 9,2 Million users of 11.0 - And live cds are still a mistery - in 8 weeks there were only 9 live installations found, but that maybe because people do not do updates in these live installations. I have no other explanation atm, but that mistery is the reason I do this 11.2 logs parsing that early. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Confernce Flickr Group
by Pascal Bleser 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've just created a Flickr group for the conference. If you have a Flickr account and upload photos about the conference, please join the group and add them to the group pool. The name of the group is "openSUSE_Conference_2009" and the URL is as follows: http://www.flickr.com/groups/osc09/ Note that the group is currently unmoderated, anyone can join. If there is abuse, I can still change it to "invite only". cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFKoCbXr3NMWliFcXcRArHwAJ9B8bQRwMJYkThY+026ADG70zCS7ACfeYAr y1SYEHinABw50CdZZM2eAgA= =yL1C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSLES creation
by Michael Monnerie 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

I've read about on LWN.net, and I just want to say that I'd *love* to have such a distribution. I've seen people running away from openSUSE because Novell bought it, then later because of other open distributions having multi-year security upgrades. For that zillion of small servers out there, that should "just run" and are not so important to buy SLES, that would be the ideal solution. And a company having openSLES for the small servers will surely buy SLES for the important stuff. Currently, they buy at that other big red Linux company. So it will help, definitely. I'll unsubscribe now again, as I already receive too many e-mails anyway. I hope to see openSLES, or whatever it will be called, as it should fit my needs more that openSUSE. mfg zmi -- // Michael Monnerie, Ing.BSc ----- http://it-management.at // Tel: 0660 / 415 65 31 .network.your.ideas. // PGP Key: "curl -s http://zmi.at/zmi.asc | gpg --import" // Fingerprint: AC19 F9D5 36ED CD8A EF38 500E CE14 91F7 1C12 09B4 // Keyserver: wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net Key-ID: 1C1209B4

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[opensuse-project] Keynote Update: Lenz Grimmer to Keynote openSUSE Conference
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

The openSUSE Project is happy to announce that Lenz Grimmer will be delivering the opening keynote for the first-ever openSUSE Conference[1]. The openSUSE Conference will be held September 17 through September 20 in Nürnberg, Germany. Register today![2] Grimmer's keynote, "Working in a Virtual Community," This session will talk about the pros and cons of working in a virtual organization, some proven best practices and tools, and how everyone can benefit from this working environment. Grimmer will discuss how to build trust, passion, and self- motivation, and how communities can work in distributed environments. Leslie Hawthorn, Google's Program Manager for open source, was originally scheduled to deliver the opening keynote. Due to a schedule conflict, Hawthorn won't be able to attend the openSUSE Conference. She sends her regrets and hopes to attend an openSUSE event in the near future. Our closing keynote will be delivered by Gianugo Rabellino, Chief Executive Officer of Sourcesense[3] and member of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). The openSUSE Conference is an opportunity for openSUSE contributors to attend talks, workshops, Birds of a Feather sessions, and collaborate together face to face. The conference will be held from September 17 through September 20 in Nürnberg, Germany. Register today[2] to reserve your spot! The conference will have two daily tracks of pre-planned talks, plus "BarCamp[4]" style tracks for attendees to plan and provide their own content. Scheduled talks include: * Insights into openSUSE Infrastructure: Klaas Freitag * News from the GNOME Zoo: Vincent Untz * Samba @ openSUSE: Lars Müller Unconference ============= The openSUSE Conference will also have a major "unconference" component, where talks and sessions can be scheduled in BarCamp format. We'll have plenty of time for contributors to discuss and work on topics they're interested in face to face. Unconference planning is being done on the openSUSE wiki[5]. Want to lead a session? Jump in and edit the wiki! Register Today! ================ The conference is less than two weeks away. If you haven't registered yet, you need to do so today! Registration is at conference.opensuse.org/registration. We'll accept registrations up to the conference, but space is limited. We also have a limited number of t-shirts on hand. Registered attendees will get preference over unregistered attendees. Hotels and Getting There ========================= Time is running out to book your hotel for the openSUSE Conference. Limited space is still available in the venue. All registrants should have received information on booking hotel. Registrations are being made through Alexia Henrie (ahenrie at novell.com). More information on hotels[6] and directions[7] can be found on the Web site. [1]: http://conference.opensuse.org/ [2]: http://conference.opensuse.org/registration/ [3]: http://www.sourcesense.com/en/home [4]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp [5]: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Unconference [6]: http://conference.opensuse.org/where-to-stay/ [7]: http://conference.opensuse.org/getting-there/ -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Power Outage in Nuernberg Office Sep. 12.-13.
by Lars Vogdt 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

From Sep 12 to Sep 13 we will have a power outage in the Nuernberg office. Downtime is planned from 2009-09-11 20:00 CEST (18:00 UTC) until 2009-09-14 10:00 CEST (08:00 UTC). So it might become a long weekend especially for developers - but we plan to avoid restrictions for endusers during this downtime. So far, the following services are definitively affected by this downtime: * Build Service * Mailing lists * ...and more Please have a look at the "downtime" wiki page to see the full list of affected hosts. Not affected: * <lang>.opensuse.org (all opensuse wikis) * forums.opensuse.org * irc.freenode.net/opensuse* channels * bugzilla.novell.com The discussion to host at least download.opensuse.org and static.opensuse.org somewhere else is work in progress. We plan no replacement for the other services as the downtime is not too large. We will try to reduce/disable building on build.opensuse.org on Thursday, so all mirrors should have "up-to date" packages over the weekend. With kind regards, Lars (on behalf of the openSUSE-Admins) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference: Keysigning Party
by Jan Weber 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

Hi @ll, here is more detailed information for the keysigning party during openSUSE conference: To take part: Send a signed message containing your keys fingerprint to: keysigning(a)luckylemon.de Deadline for key submission is: Sunday September, 13 at 12:00 UTC In order to have everything running smooth print the keylist from [0], final version will be up by Sunday September, 13 at 22:00 UTC, and follow the instructions in it! There will be two sessions, so everybody has the chance to participate, for the keysigning party during openSUSE conference in the unconference track: 1. Thursday 16:45 - 17:30 2. Saturday 16:45 - 17:30 As i am organizing the demo booths on saturday, i am searching for a volunteer to lead the keysigning party on saturday (don't be afraid it's easy), if you want to lead it drop me a mail. For more information on the keysigning party visit the wiki [1]. Looking forward to meeting you all, Jan [0] http://ksp.luckylemon.de/ksp-opensuse-conf-09.txt [1] http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_KSP

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[opensuse-project] Conference: Open Day - Demo Points
by Jan Weber 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

Hi all, during the conference we will have the Open Day on Saturday, as all of you will know :). We are planning to have 4 Demo Points in the entrance area to the conference, to give visitors the chance to take a look at openSUSE and get there hands on it! This is a great chance to get in touch with our users and find out what they are expecting of openSUSE. In order to run these demo points we are now looking for volunteers to help man them! So if you are at the conference and have some spare time on saturday, take the chance to get in touch with interested people. From my point of view german is a plus in this case, not a must! Simply add yourself to the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Demo_Booths and drop me a note! BTW it is not important that you are available all day, if you can spend an hour or two that's good too. Looking forward to many volunteers! Cheers Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Conference: Key Signing Party, anyone ?
by ml＠luckylemon.de 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

Hi, > I believe that we should take the opportunity of meeting in real > life to > also organize a key signing party at the openSUSE Conference. i think so too, it's a great opportunity! > Unfortunately, I'm too busy to coordinate it, which is a bit of work. I think i can manage this one and take care of it! As i am currently at work i don't have the time to work out the details right now, i will write a ore detailed announcement later today. But you can begin submitting fingerprints in a signed mail to keysigning(a)luckylemon.deif you like! Cheers Jan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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