[opensuse-factory] About Factory's Version

Stephan Kulow

17 Jun 2014 17 Jun '14

13:47

Hi, As mentioned in several situations, it's my declared goal to seperate Factory from openSUSE releases in people's mindset and run it as a rolling distribution with its own agenda. So far Factory was meant purely as testbed for the next openSUSE release. But this has changed, and e.g. Factory releases DVDs whenever they are tested as good enough - see http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/ While openSUSE releases benefit from being "13.2", I feel we need something else than "13.2 Milestone 0" for Factory. But I miss a good idea what it can be - the "Snapshot20140605" the ISOs bear is unfortunately not good enough as this is tagged when the ISOs are ready - but the SuSE-release file is generated from things I need to copy. - I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"? - I can also imagine commiting every first of a month or every sunday or ... Now it's time for your creativity - what are your preferences for a Factory version? Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Richard Biener

17 Jun 17 Jun

14:02

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

As mentioned in several situations, it's my declared goal to seperate Factory from openSUSE releases in people's mindset and run it as a rolling distribution with its own agenda.

So far Factory was meant purely as testbed for the next openSUSE release. But this has changed, and e.g. Factory releases DVDs whenever they are tested as good enough - see http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/

While openSUSE releases benefit from being "13.2", I feel we need something else than "13.2 Milestone 0" for Factory. But I miss a good idea what it can be - the "Snapshot20140605" the ISOs bear is unfortunately not good enough as this is tagged when the ISOs are ready - but the SuSE-release file is generated from things I need to copy.

- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"? - I can also imagine commiting every first of a month or every sunday or ...

Now it's time for your creativity - what are your preferences for a Factory version?

Needs to be something that is reflected in %suse_version as well? Or can we just distinguish between openSUSE releases there and have an additional %factory_version? Apart from that techincal issue a number is just a number, if it is supposed to carry useful information a commit ID works for me. Richard. -- Richard Biener SUSE / SUSE Labs SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nuernberg - AG Nuernberg - HRB 16746 GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imend"orffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

14:28

Am 17.06.2014 16:02, schrieb Richard Biener:

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Needs to be something that is reflected in %suse_version as well? I wouldn't do that as first step. There are various packages that use 13.2 as version right now - and I wouldn't want to change them all. It's just a number as you say yourself.

And there is only one factory you build against. And factory's suse_version would have to always larger than the latest openSUSE release, but that's about it IMO. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

14:36

* Stephan Kulow [06-17-14 10:29]:

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Am 17.06.2014 16:02, schrieb Richard Biener:

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Needs to be something that is reflected in %suse_version as well? I wouldn't do that as first step. There are various packages that use 13.2 as version right now - and I wouldn't want to change them all. It's just a number as you say yourself.

And there is only one factory you build against. And factory's suse_version would have to always larger than the latest openSUSE release, but that's about it IMO.

based on Sunday releases perhaps: based-version + 2 diget year + week of year 1321425 which is version 13.2 from last Sunday possibly separating with "dot": 132.1425 next sunday would be: 132.1426 or 1321426 then factory version will always be incremented and still relate to based version of openSUSE. increment based version Sunday followin version release -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

14:41

Am 17.06.2014 16:36, schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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possibly separating with "dot": 132.1425 next sunday would be: 132.1426 or 1321426

then factory version will always be incremented and still relate to based version of openSUSE.

There is no "based on" relation between factory and openSUSE releases. They are developed for a (short) time in parallel. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Alberto Planas Dominguez

14:36

On 06/17/2014 03:47 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

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- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"?

How about YYYY.XX, like 2014.01, 2014.02 ... If I see the number of an ISO I don't know how old is it, but if there is one ISO every month, I can see that 2014.06 is quite new.

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Greetings, Stephan

Thanks, Alberto Planas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

14:41

Am 17.06.2014 16:36, schrieb Alberto Planas Dominguez:

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On 06/17/2014 03:47 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

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- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"?

How about YYYY.XX, like 2014.01, 2014.02 ... If I see the number of an ISO I don't know how old is it, but if there is one ISO every month, I can see that 2014.06 is quite new.

The ISOs are named Snapshot20140605 - that's pretty specific about the age. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Alberto Planas Dominguez

14:51

On 06/17/2014 04:41 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 17.06.2014 16:36, schrieb Alberto Planas Dominguez:

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On 06/17/2014 03:47 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

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- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"?

How about YYYY.XX, like 2014.01, 2014.02 ... If I see the number of an ISO I don't know how old is it, but if there is one ISO every month, I can see that 2014.06 is quite new.

The ISOs are named Snapshot20140605 - that's pretty specific about the age.

I see, I would remove 'Snapshot' then. Every release of openSUSE-Factory is always a snapshot, isn't? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Matwey V. Kornilov

17:02

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: About Factory's Version

17.06.2014 18:41, Stephan Kulow пишет:

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The ISOs are named Snapshot20140605 - that's pretty specific about the age.

What happens when we need more than one release per day? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

18:06

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: About Factory's Version

Am 17.06.2014 19:02, schrieb Matwey V. Kornilov:

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17.06.2014 18:41, Stephan Kulow пишет:

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The ISOs are named Snapshot20140605 - that's pretty specific about the age.

What happens when we need more than one release per day?

I don't understand the question - factory is released daily if possible. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Martin Christeson

21:23

The numbering listed addresses relating version to calendar time. As you start decoupling Factory from major releases, will you need a point of comparison in the version for something representing core components like gcc and libc? Maybe prepending an identifier representing the core such as the major gcc or glibc version to the structures listed in this thread would help show key discontinuities in factory over time without constraining the formal OS releases and package labels. I was thinking that some definition of core changes could have meaning when comparing, discussing and testing Factory versions. It appears at the moment (could be wrong) that base libraries and X11 are the components that cause noticeable discontinuities. Thanks Martin Christeson On 6/17/2014 7:36 AM, Alberto Planas Dominguez wrote:

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On 06/17/2014 03:47 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

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- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"?

How about YYYY.XX, like 2014.01, 2014.02 ... If I see the number of an ISO I don't know how old is it, but if there is one ISO every month, I can see that 2014.06 is quite new.

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Greetings, Stephan

Thanks, Alberto Planas

Richard Brown

18 Jun 18 Jun

08:05

On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 15:47 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

As mentioned in several situations, it's my declared goal to seperate Factory from openSUSE releases in people's mindset and run it as a rolling distribution with its own agenda.

So far Factory was meant purely as testbed for the next openSUSE release. But this has changed, and e.g. Factory releases DVDs whenever they are tested as good enough - see http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/

While openSUSE releases benefit from being "13.2", I feel we need something else than "13.2 Milestone 0" for Factory. But I miss a good idea what it can be - the "Snapshot20140605" the ISOs bear is unfortunately not good enough as this is tagged when the ISOs are ready - but the SuSE-release file is generated from things I need to copy.

- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"? - I can also imagine commiting every first of a month or every sunday or ...

Now it's time for your creativity - what are your preferences for a Factory version?

Greetings, Stephan

-- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn.

My preference would be for something ISO 8601 date formatted, such as Factory 20140618 That of course assumes that we dont get more than one build of Factory a day. If we do, maybe we could extend the versioning to include hour of build creation (no point doing minutes...unless OBS suddenly gets quantum build servers?) eg. Factory 2014061812 This leads me to a few questions - Will this be reflected in /etc/os-release? I think it should Does that mean people are going to be offered a new openSUSE-release package every day in Factory? I don't think that's a bad idea..it gives a good easy number for us to use when discussing issues rather than needing people to compare package versions all the time -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

09:48

Am 18.06.2014 10:05, schrieb Richard Brown:

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Does that mean people are going to be offered a new openSUSE-release package every day in Factory? I don't think that's a bad idea..it gives a good easy number for us to use when discussing issues rather than needing people to compare package versions all the time

The version number of Factory would be in os-release, yes. And if people think a ISO date is fine, it's fine with me too. The catch with it: I would need to find a magic to match the version number in factory with the number the ISOS get. The ISOs currently get tagged with the date they were taken out of Factory. This is not necessarly the date os-release was changed (it's likely after midnight my time :). But I prefer dates over anything related to openSUSE versions to make it even clearer that the openSUSE version can't be mapped to a random Factory snapshot. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

23 Jun 23 Jun

05:37

On Wednesday 18 June 2014 11.48:30 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 18.06.2014 10:05, schrieb Richard Brown:

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Does that mean people are going to be offered a new openSUSE-release package every day in Factory? I don't think that's a bad idea..it gives a good easy number for us to use when discussing issues rather than needing people to compare package versions all the time

The version number of Factory would be in os-release, yes. And if people think a ISO date is fine, it's fine with me too.

The catch with it: I would need to find a magic to match the version number in factory with the number the ISOS get. The ISOs currently get tagged with the date they were taken out of Factory. This is not necessarly the date os-release was changed (it's likely after midnight my time :).

But I prefer dates over anything related to openSUSE versions to make it even clearer that the openSUSE version can't be mapped to a random Factory snapshot.

Greetings, Stephan

+1 for me about the date, and thus as it seems reasonable to have several release in a day add UTC timestamp in the format .HHmmss -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~Don't take Life too serious. Nobody gets out alive anyway!~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18 Jun 18 Jun

09:59

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-06-18 10:05, Richard Brown wrote:

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My preference would be for something ISO 8601 date formatted, such as Factory 20140618

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That of course assumes that we dont get more than one build of Factory a day. If we do, maybe we could extend the versioning to include hour of build creation (no point doing minutes...unless OBS suddenly gets quantum build servers?)

eg. Factory 2014061812

I would separate the hour with a dot. That's what I do for timestamping in my own scripts and files: if I need more resolution, I just increase the decimals.

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This leads me to a few questions - Will this be reflected in /etc/os-release? I think it should Does that mean people are going to be offered a new openSUSE-release package every day in Factory? I don't think that's a bad idea..it gives a good easy number for us to use when discussing issues rather than needing people to compare package versions all the time

As long as people with slow internet, like me, can still pull from somewhere that doesn't change every day, because it takes me days to download the DVD, for instance. If it is a moving target, I'm automatically out... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlOhYuUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Un9QCfQq7iU06ANDMh2qVoSTGgNVma c80An2MHVk8oSRv0Jdy3aVDeXAz4rO35 =M0pc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

11:14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 18.06.2014 11:59, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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As long as people with slow internet, like me, can still pull from somewhere that doesn't change every day, because it takes me days to download the DVD, for instance. If it is a moving target, I'm automatically out...

Not necessarly. It doesn't create the amount of a DVD every day, far from it. E.g. my factory installation wasn't updated in about 3 weeks, still zypper up reports: Overall download size: 315,5 MiB. There are surely days when there is a larger update - e.g. mass compiles, but they are very rare and you would still download less than a DVD as you download only what you have installed. Greetings, Stephan - -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlOhdHkACgkQwFSBhlBjoJY2fgCeM0/Tj/bLEq2PawpqrMFC7FtY +DgAn0+0TQTR6I9tBQrEGgunrWEgg3iI =TcMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:50

On 2014-06-18 13:14, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 18.06.2014 11:59, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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As long as people with slow internet, like me, can still pull from somewhere that doesn't change every day, because it takes me days to download the DVD, for instance. If it is a moving target, I'm automatically out...

Not necessarly. It doesn't create the amount of a DVD every day, far from it. E.g. my factory installation wasn't updated in about 3 weeks, still zypper up reports:

Overall download size: 315,5 MiB.

That's feasible. What about the installation DVD, will it be changed daily too? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Roman Bysh

19:02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/18/2014 10:50 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-06-18 13:14, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 18.06.2014 11:59, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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As long as people with slow internet, like me, can still pull from somewhere that doesn't change every day, because it takes me days to download the DVD, for instance. If it is a moving target, I'm automatically out...

Not necessarly. It doesn't create the amount of a DVD every day, far from it. E.g. my factory installation wasn't updated in about 3 weeks, still zypper up reports:

Overall download size: 315,5 MiB.

That's feasible.

What about the installation DVD, will it be changed daily too?

Great idea if there is time. Yes? Cheers! Roman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJToeIzAAoJEISyH9AowGDQeLMIAIA0jDHygRKlmhxKGj6EGpNb oWNhzqtdOQJO1Q8M1GwotR/XsoS7f8B9Dv6uMndog8ScehOB0kOxGjy+U5V+8w4c uoGZUhGAE4XVMJRK15DHbhUJiFy3VPdLzBlbcJYTlUVt4VEYWEzNVpDCr45Ch/HR NS6eFaHTyTPASGHX+Iv5huOU3yv59EHVNsZTCzYdlqcexxnGDYKR8VA3InrCWWi2 Yx35WlEAT1RaW1fIGrwlGYoqQrrqmiouv+OyseKWQdq+nsov5PvpajUiPPZdBKqY VAB/V8z2F7lCLLMWfjezdhbmrfZjaradbkg6XFUzs4x/cIi8iIrWOWUYk4Lh2GA= =mxdi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

19 Jun 19 Jun

19:19

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 18.06.2014 16:50, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 2014-06-18 13:14, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 18.06.2014 11:59, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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As long as people with slow internet, like me, can still pull from somewhere that doesn't change every day, because it takes me days to download the DVD, for instance. If it is a moving target, I'm automatically out...

Not necessarly. It doesn't create the amount of a DVD every day, far from it. E.g. my factory installation wasn't updated in about 3 weeks, still zypper up reports:

Overall download size: 315,5 MiB.

That's feasible.

What about the installation DVD, will it be changed daily too?

Yes, but you don't have to download it :) Greetings, Stephan - -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlOjN8EACgkQwFSBhlBjoJah8ACeKkELybZngmoO5+GcuY2AM/q9 wzQAoJYYrW6nNDR1y27BCR/Ip8GCOxK7 =imyz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

9 Jul 9 Jul

01:13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2014-06-19 at 21:19 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 18.06.2014 16:50, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 2014-06-18 13:14, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 18.06.2014 11:59, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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As long as people with slow internet, like me, can still pull from somewhere that doesn't change every day, because it takes me days to download the DVD, for instance. If it is a moving target, I'm automatically out...

Not necessarly. It doesn't create the amount of a DVD every day, far from it. E.g. my factory installation wasn't updated in about 3 weeks, still zypper up reports:

Overall download size: 315,5 MiB.

That's feasible.

What about the installation DVD, will it be changed daily too?

Yes, but you don't have to download it :)

Well, but that is the problem precisely. If I want to download the factory installation DVD, in order to install it, I may not be able to download it before it changes. Suppose the DVD has 4700000000 bytes. With my 1 mbit/s ADSL, it takes 47000 seconds to download it, that is 13 hours, provided I don't download anything else during that time, and I don't power off. Even at my top speed, the server can change the ISO when I'm six hours on to the download process, and then I have to start again for a further 13 hours after the prior failed attempt of six hours... And if the download fails the checksum, then I need time to find out (maybe I'm sleep while it downloads), to manually run rsync or whatever to repair the image. Not nice. To solve this problem, the download site should have the current DVD, plus the DVD of the day before, and maybe the one before it, so that people with slow networks have a fair chance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlO8lzQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Un3wCcCTwTYLFQ8XSENHQBf0gg7lyZ KiUAoJh9vtpi4NcObT76KX+gk0Q/CS7b =da6t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

18 Jun 18 Jun

13:09

On 17/06/14 23:47, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

As mentioned in several situations, it's my declared goal to seperate Factory from openSUSE releases in people's mindset and run it as a rolling distribution with its own agenda.

So far Factory was meant purely as testbed for the next openSUSE release. But this has changed, and e.g. Factory releases DVDs whenever they are tested as good enough - see http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/

While openSUSE releases benefit from being "13.2", I feel we need something else than "13.2 Milestone 0" for Factory. But I miss a good idea what it can be - the "Snapshot20140605" the ISOs bear is unfortunately not good enough as this is tagged when the ISOs are ready - but the SuSE-release file is generated from things I need to copy.

- I can image commiting an increasing commit ID whenever Factory is changed. We would talk about "I'm running Factory 20272, 172 builds behind"? - I can also imagine commiting every first of a month or every sunday or ...

Now it's time for your creativity - what are your preferences for a Factory version?

Greetings, Stephan

I really do not care how the versions are identified as long as YaST and zypper do NOT keep coming up with dependency errors! :'( Call the versions, "Bill or George! Anything but Sue!" [Johnny Cash song, "A Boy Named Sue."] BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.2 & kernel 3.15.0-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Trent Hawkins

24 Jun 24 Jun

02:33

On 17 June 2014 23:47, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

As mentioned in several situations, it's my declared goal to seperate Factory from openSUSE releases in people's mindset and run it as a rolling distribution with its own agenda.

So far Factory was meant purely as testbed for the next openSUSE release. But this has changed, and e.g. Factory releases DVDs whenever they are tested as good enough - see http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/

While openSUSE releases benefit from being "13.2", I feel we need something else than "13.2 Milestone 0" for Factory. But I miss a good idea what it can be - the "Snapshot20140605" the ISOs bear is unfortunately not good enough as this is tagged when the ISOs are ready - but the SuSE-release file is generated from things I need to copy.

Just a thought, and apologies if it is out of place, but it occurs to me that the whole X.x point release description of the Stable Release is confusing and unnecessary. Each new release is a whole new release in itself and not a maintenance update as might be expected by the point naming. I.e. Why call it 13.2, when it can just be an iterative number on the old, e.g. openSUSE 14. Bit like how Fedora and Mint do it. I don't intend to start a new debate on this topic, but i raise it because the current naming creates unnecessary expectations of release delivery timeframe, which is not congruent with the development reality. Trent -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

02:56

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-06-24 04:33, Trent Hawkins wrote:

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Just a thought, and apologies if it is out of place, but it occurs to me that the whole X.x point release description of the Stable Release is confusing and unnecessary. Each new release is a whole new release in itself and not a maintenance update as might be expected by the point naming.

I.e. Why call it 13.2, when it can just be an iterative number on the old, e.g. openSUSE 14. Bit like how Fedora and Mint do it. I don't intend to start a new debate on this topic, but i raise it because the current naming creates unnecessary expectations of release delivery timeframe, which is not congruent with the development reality.

Because we voted on the numbering issue, and the current method won the vote. What you propose was one of the proposals at the time, and did not get enough votes. So, no, it is not going to change, I'm afraid. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlOo6OEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VcjwCeJx3tejMsdSPbtPak1RRgq+zp EWMAoIQkRecr+0jW5ja6zoOPolRp1XA6 =e3iV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Trent Hawkins

04:55

On 24 June 2014 12:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Just a thought, and apologies if it is out of place, but it occurs to me that the whole X.x point release description of the Stable Release is confusing and unnecessary. Each new release is a whole new release in itself and not a maintenance update as might be expected by the point naming.

I.e. Why call it 13.2, when it can just be an iterative number on the old, e.g. openSUSE 14. Bit like how Fedora and Mint do it. I don't intend to start a new debate on this topic, but i raise it because the current naming creates unnecessary expectations of release delivery timeframe, which is not congruent with the development reality.

Because we voted on the numbering issue, and the current method won the vote. What you propose was one of the proposals at the time, and did not get enough votes.

So, no, it is not going to change, I'm afraid.

Ok, i'll go quiet on this one then :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

4 Jul 4 Jul

21:20

On Tuesday 24 June 2014 14.55:33 Trent Hawkins wrote:

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On 24 June 2014 12:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2014-06-24 04:33, Trent Hawkins wrote:

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Just a thought, and apologies if it is out of place, but it occurs to me that the whole X.x point release description of the Stable Release is confusing and unnecessary. Each new release is a whole new release in itself and not a maintenance update as might be expected by the point naming.

I.e. Why call it 13.2, when it can just be an iterative number on the old, e.g. openSUSE 14. Bit like how Fedora and Mint do it. I don't intend to start a new debate on this topic, but i raise it because the current naming creates unnecessary expectations of release delivery timeframe, which is not congruent with the development reality.

Because we voted on the numbering issue, and the current method won the vote. What you propose was one of the proposals at the time, and did not get enough votes.

So, no, it is not going to change, I'm afraid.

Ok, i'll go quiet on this one then :-)

One of the result was there always be X.1 X.2 X.3 release totally unrelated to each others. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~Don't take Life too serious. Nobody gets out alive anyway!~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

9 Jul 9 Jul

00:55

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One of the result was there always be X.1 X.2 X.3 release totally unrelated to each others.

With the exception of 11.4, which was already on the way. That is, the vote took place during 11.4 development. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlO8kx8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XRvACfclrjVrQR3s6AKEeP1OR1CL0o bqcAn3IybvOfqW1tt0wg1dZQQhUR20yB =tnXm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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