[opensuse-factory] cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

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Patrick Shanahan

19 Nov 2012 19 Nov '12

20:13

Had to burn some dvd's today and k3b complained cdrecord was not available, and checking software.opensuse.org/search found it was not. Installed cdrecord-3.01a08-1.15.x86_64 from Factory and proceeded to burn the dvd's. Question: cdrecord *should* be available? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Achim Gratz

19 Nov 19 Nov

20:21

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Patrick Shanahan writes:

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Had to burn some dvd's today and k3b complained cdrecord was not available, and checking software.opensuse.org/search found it was not. Installed cdrecord-3.01a08-1.15.x86_64 from Factory and proceeded to burn the dvd's.

You don't need cdrecord anymore, wodim is used instead. But you need to let K3b search for the programs (in setup) if you've formerly had cdrecord installed. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

23:30

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* Achim Gratz [11-19-12 15:24]:

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Patrick Shanahan writes:

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Had to burn some dvd's today and k3b complained cdrecord was not available, and checking software.opensuse.org/search found it was not. Installed cdrecord-3.01a08-1.15.x86_64 from Factory and proceeded to burn the dvd's.

You don't need cdrecord anymore, wodim is used instead. But you need to let K3b search for the programs (in setup) if you've formerly had cdrecord installed.

Thanks for that, reinstalled wodim removing cdrecord, and initiated search in k3b. Opening k3b warning missing cdrecord is no more. tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

22:55

On Monday 2012-11-19 21:13, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Had to burn some dvd's today and k3b complained cdrecord was not available, and checking software.opensuse.org/search found it was not. Installed cdrecord-3.01a08-1.15.x86_64 from Factory and proceeded to burn the dvd's.

Hum, where in factory is cdrecord? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

23:24

* Jan Engelhardt [11-19-12 17:57]:

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On Monday 2012-11-19 21:13, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Had to burn some dvd's today and k3b complained cdrecord was not available, and checking software.opensuse.org/search found it was not. Installed cdrecord-3.01a08-1.15.x86_64 from Factory and proceeded to burn the dvd's.

Hum, where in factory is cdrecord?

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=multimedia%3Aapps&package=cdrtools -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas

23:46

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:51 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Hum, where in factory is cdrecord?

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=multimedia%3Aapps&package=cdrtools

multimedia:apps isn't factory so that doesn't count. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

20 Nov 20 Nov

00:16

On 2012-11-20 00:46 (GMT+0100) Philipp Thomas composed:

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:51 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Hum, where in factory is cdrecord?

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https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=multimedia%3Aapps&package=cdrtools

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multimedia:apps isn't factory so that doesn't count.

Maybe. Maybe it depends on what was meant by "factory". Maybe he meant: http://download.opensuse.org/factory/ or maybe via lower case F he really meant OBS: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ or https://build.opensuse.org/ Sometimes case matters. :-p -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

00:29

* Felix Miata [11-19-12 19:18]:

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On 2012-11-20 00:46 (GMT+0100) Philipp Thomas composed:

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:51 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Hum, where in factory is cdrecord?

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https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=multimedia%3Aapps&package=cdrtools

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multimedia:apps isn't factory so that doesn't count.

Maybe. Maybe it depends on what was meant by "factory". Maybe he meant:

http://download.opensuse.org/factory/

or maybe via lower case F he really meant OBS:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/ or

https://build.opensuse.org/

Sometimes case matters. :-p

And to lay it all to rest: I was in a hurry, deadline, and had to burn several dvd's for a court case, discovery. I got an error notice from k3b about missing cdrecord. So, I looked for cdrecord for T'weed and didn't find it. [Ff]actory repos would *probably* be a close match for T'weed so I dl'ed and installed removing wodim. I burned dvd's needed and then posted about the missing cdrecord. Saw reply about wodim replacing and allowing k3b to search for its needed utilities and no longer get the warning. Thanks for the help. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

17:07

On Tuesday 2012-11-20 00:46, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:24:51 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Hum, where in factory is cdrecord?

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=multimedia%3Aapps&package=cdrtools

multimedia:apps isn't factory so that doesn't count.

Anyway, that was helping. Yes, of course, - I should have known. - cdrecord is part of cdrtools, so that would be the pkg name. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Achim Gratz

17:29

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

Jan Engelhardt writes:

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cdrecord is part of cdrtools, so that would be the pkg name.

Maybe, but cdrtools has ceased to exist as a package as well. The only remnant is cdrkit-cdrtools-compat, and that only provides links to the tools that replaced it. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf Blofeld V1.15B11: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

22:51

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

On Tuesday 2012-11-20 18:29, Achim Gratz wrote:

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Jan Engelhardt writes:

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cdrecord is part of cdrtools, so that would be the pkg name.

Maybe, but cdrtools has ceased to exist as a package as well.

It has? It does exist in multimedia:apps though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Joerg Schilling

21 Nov 21 Nov

13:04

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

Achim Gratz wrote:

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Maybe, but cdrtools has ceased to exist as a package as well. The only remnant is cdrkit-cdrtools-compat, and that only provides links to the tools that replaced it.

cdrtools never have been "replaced" by something... There was a group of hostile people at Debian that created a buggy variant from a very outdated version of cdrtools. Would you call this "replaced"? I wouln't, as people only replace things if the new thing is better. Also the debian code is dead since May 2007, while the orginal code is still maintained and enhanced on a reglar base. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Achim Gratz

15:23

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Joerg Schilling writes:

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cdrtools never have been "replaced" by something...

Sorry, but they are not in the main openSUSE repos anymore and k3b works just as well with as without them and that's what the original question was about. I know I can still find them in multimedia:apps if I need them, but since I've been running Tumbleweed and extra repos are shunned for this configuration I've been using the new defaults (plus compat links). There is nothing nefarious getting on, much less from any Debian folks. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptations for KORG EX-800 and Poly-800MkII V0.9: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KorgSDada -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

15:31

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:23:19PM +0100, Achim Gratz wrote:

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Joerg Schilling writes:

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cdrtools never have been "replaced" by something...

Sorry, but they are not in the main openSUSE repos anymore and k3b works just as well with as without them and that's what the original question was about. I know I can still find them in multimedia:apps if I need them, but since I've been running Tumbleweed and extra repos are shunned for this configuration I've been using the new defaults (plus compat links). There is nothing nefarious getting on, much less from any Debian folks.

You can use the 12.2 builds for Tumbleweed? Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Achim Gratz

15:50

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Marcus Meissner writes:

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You can use the 12.2 builds for Tumbleweed?

I would think so, but I'd need to configure multimedia:apps as extra repo, since cdrecord is neither in the 12.2 repo nor Tumbleweed. Can we let this discussion die? Now, if we could consider switching the distro back from cdrkit and dvdrtools to cdrecord or even include them in Tumbleweed right away, that would be a more useful discussion perhaps. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

15:50

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* Marcus Meissner [11-21-12 10:34]:

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:23:19PM +0100, Achim Gratz wrote:

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Sorry, but they are not in the main openSUSE repos anymore and k3b works just as well with as without them and that's what the original question was about. I know I can still find them in multimedia:apps if I need them, but since I've been running Tumbleweed and extra repos are shunned for this configuration I've been using the new defaults (plus compat links). There is nothing nefarious getting on, much less from any Debian folks.

You can use the 12.2 builds for Tumbleweed?

In some instances, but I have had better luck with [Ff]actory in other cases. But some fail in either. Best fit is "Current". -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Joerg Schilling

15:33

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Achim Gratz wrote:

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Joerg Schilling writes:

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cdrtools never have been "replaced" by something...

Sorry, but they are not in the main openSUSE repos anymore and k3b works just as well with as without them and that's what the original question was about. I know I can still find them in multimedia:apps if I need

This is not true and if you look at the k3b mailing lists, you will see that k3b recommends to use the original software in order to avoid the well known nasty bugs. If cdrtools is not in the main repo, you would need to ask Suse people as they promised to put cdrtools into the main repo in 2009 already. Also note that "cdrkit" is dead since May 2007. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Achim Gratz

16:11

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See for yourself: http://software.opensuse.org/package/cdrtools For the record: I'm all for getting cdrtools back into the distro officially, but that has nothing to do with the original question (to which the answer was and still is: cdrecord has been replaced with something else that more or less does the same thing from a user perspective). This is what happens if you configure multimedia:apps and install cdrecord: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- zypper> in cdrecord Resolving package dependencies... Problem: cdrkit-cdrtools-compat-1.1.11-8.1.2.i586 requires wodim = 1.1.11-8.1.2, but this requirement cannot be provided Solution 1: Following actions will be done: replacement of cdrkit-cdrtools-compat-1.1.11-8.1.2.i586 with cdrtools-3.01a08-1.2.i586 replacement of genisoimage-1.1.11-8.1.2.i586 with mkisofs-3.01a08-1.2.i586 replacement of icedax-1.1.11-8.1.2.i586 with cdda2wav-3.01a08-1.2.i586 Solution 2: do not install cdrecord-3.01a08-1.2.i586 Solution 3: break cdrkit-cdrtools-compat-1.1.11-8.1.2.i586 by ignoring some of its dependencies Choose from above solutions by number or cancel [1/2/3/c] (c): 1 Resolving dependencies... Resolving package dependencies... The following NEW packages are going to be installed: cdda2wav cdrecord cdrtools mkisofs The following packages are going to be REMOVED: cdrkit-cdrtools-compat genisoimage icedax wodim --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- The problem is that you need to lower the priority of multimedia:apps or the next dup will switch over a number of packages to this repo (since it generally has bumped up build numbers). You can solve this by playing around with priorities and locks, but it's not a recommended configuration. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Juergen Weigert

16:24

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

On Nov 21, 12 16:33:04 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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If cdrtools is not in the main repo, you would need to ask Suse people as they promised to put cdrtools into the main repo in 2009 already.

Ha, wrong terminology there: We don't promise packages to go into Factory, we review them to go there. We helped you to get cdrtools into the same devel project as wodim. This help was promised earlier. For 'the main repo', please try $ osc sr multimedia:apps cdrtools openSUSE:Factory Btw: multimedia:apps/wodim was last updated in 2011, so it is less dead than you had assumed. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 say #263A!__/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. ☺ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

16:42

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:24:22PM +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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On Nov 21, 12 16:33:04 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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If cdrtools is not in the main repo, you would need to ask Suse people as they promised to put cdrtools into the main repo in 2009 already.

Ha, wrong terminology there: We don't promise packages to go into Factory, we review them to go there. We helped you to get cdrtools into the same devel project as wodim. This help was promised earlier. For 'the main repo', please try

$ osc sr multimedia:apps cdrtools openSUSE:Factory

Not with a setuid root binary. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Joerg Schilling

16:53

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Marcus Meissner wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:24:22PM +0100, Juergen Weigert wrote:

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On Nov 21, 12 16:33:04 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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If cdrtools is not in the main repo, you would need to ask Suse people as they promised to put cdrtools into the main repo in 2009 already.

Ha, wrong terminology there: We don't promise packages to go into Factory, we review them to go there. We helped you to get cdrtools into the same devel project as wodim. This help was promised earlier. For 'the main repo', please try

$ osc sr multimedia:apps cdrtools openSUSE:Factory

Not with a setuid root binary.

Well, it is not my fault when people at Suse neither understand why special privileges are needed, nor introduce a non-removable method into their OS base that would ppermit to get these special privileges without being root. We did this for Solaris _many_ years ago, as long as Suse does not offer the needed properties, cdrecord, readcd and cdda2wav need to be installed suid root. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Lars Müller

19:43

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:53:36PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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Marcus Meissner wrote:

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$ osc sr multimedia:apps cdrtools openSUSE:Factory

Not with a setuid root binary.

Well, it is not my fault when people at Suse neither understand why special privileges are needed, nor introduce a non-removable method into their OS base that would ppermit to get these special privileges without being root.

a) cdrtools isn't part of the default software set included with the openSUSE standard/ default software repositories. It's neither in the oss, the non-oss nor in the update repository of openSUSE versions 12.1, 12.2 or Factory. With a default openSUSE install cdrtools aren't available or visible to the users. cdrtools is available from the multimedia:apps repository only. You can only find it via http://software.openSUSE.org/ if you enable the extended, non standard search. You must click on the 'Show unstable packages' labled link. The cdrtools package as available from the multimedia:apps repository is maintained by an openSUSE community member. Dave isn't working for SUSE. He does this as a service to the community. And we all appreciate his work and efforts. We all also prefer if the person doing the actual work gets the reward from you and not SUSE or openSUSE in general as you write on you web page. Please also be this nice to update your web page¹ to reference the correct location behind the link labled 'OpenSuSE cdrecord packet'. The current link is limited to the i586 architecture and doesn't lead to any cdrtools or cdrecord packages. As you sound much like a correct person I must stress the right capitalization of the project name. It is openSUSE and not OpenSuSE as you use it at your cdrecord web page¹. Please be this nice to correct this too while you update your page. b) The whole cdrtools/ cdrecord situation isn't a fault caused by SUSE. Please blame Linux in general for this (as you do¹). And if you like cdrtools to work properly please be this nice to work in a cooperative manner with the community on a solution. Blaming and pointing with fingers at others doesn't drive the issue forward. I'm sure the Linux security community will appreciate and welcome your help, feedback, and input.

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We did this for Solaris _many_ years ago, as long as Suse does not offer the needed properties, cdrecord, readcd and cdda2wav need to be installed suid root.

You're invited to work with the Linux security community on the privileges issue. I'm sure you're smart enough to get this solved! If this isn't a challenge to you I appreciate if you update your web site, reference to this dicussion with a link to the web archive of this thread², and afterwards we're all happy no longer to see the same non moving forward discussion again and again. Cause you and we all have better things to do. Thanks, Lars ¹ http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html ² http://lists.openSUSE.org/opensuse-factory/2012-11/msg00663.html -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

Joerg Schilling

22 Nov 22 Nov

09:40

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

Lars Müller wrote:

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Well, it is not my fault when people at Suse neither understand why special privileges are needed, nor introduce a non-removable method into their OS base that would ppermit to get these special privileges without being root.

a) cdrtools isn't part of the default software set included with the openSUSE standard/ default software repositories. It's neither in the oss, the non-oss nor in the update repository of openSUSE versions 12.1, 12.2 or Factory. With a default openSUSE install cdrtools aren't available or visible to the users.

Why isn't this the case? This has been promised since 2009, why didn't it happen?

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cdrtools is available from the multimedia:apps repository only. You can only find it via http://software.openSUSE.org/ if you enable the extended, non standard search. You must click on the 'Show unstable packages' labled link.

This is bad when at the same time broken software like cdrkit is apparently easier to install.

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The cdrtools package as available from the multimedia:apps repository is maintained by an openSUSE community member. Dave isn't working for SUSE. He does this as a service to the community. And we all appreciate his work and efforts. We all also prefer if the person doing the actual work gets the reward from you and not SUSE or openSUSE in general as you write on you web page.

Who is Dave?

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Please also be this nice to update your web page? to reference the correct location behind the link labled 'OpenSuSE cdrecord packet'. The current link is limited to the i586 architecture and doesn't lead to any cdrtools or cdrecord packages.

I am providing the latest link I received. If you like to have an updated link, you should send it to me....

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As you sound much like a correct person I must stress the right capitalization of the project name. It is openSUSE and not OpenSuSE as you use it at your cdrecord web page?. Please be this nice to correct this too while you update your page.

Did the spelling change since I copied it?

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b) The whole cdrtools/ cdrecord situation isn't a fault caused by SUSE. Please blame Linux in general for this (as you do?). And if you like cdrtools to work properly please be this nice to work in a cooperative manner with the community on a solution. Blaming and pointing with fingers at others doesn't drive the issue forward.

I have no problem if you tell me that Linux does not support to gain a list of fine grained privileges without first becoming root, but then you need to accept suid root binaries. I however blame SuSe for repeatedly starting discussions on the fact that cdrecord, readcd and cdda2wav are suid root but not acting after I explained the problem in full detail. Note that around 2001 (not sure whether I remember correctly) SuSE started to claim being unhappy with suid root in cdrtools. As a result, a "fileopening server" was written by SuSE that caused cdrecord to fail and at the same time opened a big security hole in SuSE Linux as this server could be used to open any file read write as root and to pass the fd to the calling program. Cdrtools have been properly audited and believe me, it is better to use audited software instead of a dubious workaround. I guess that SuSE still comes with a suid root "su" command, so it seems to be OK for SuSE to deliver suid root programs.....why not cdrtools? We had several loops where I explained the facts in vast details and the result always has been that suddenly SuSE peope stopped replying and nothing happened. If this was a communication done with unexperienced people, do you have security specialists at SuSE that could help here?

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I'm sure the Linux security community will appreciate and welcome your help, feedback, and input.

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We did this for Solaris _many_ years ago, as long as Suse does not offer the needed properties, cdrecord, readcd and cdda2wav need to be installed suid root.

You're invited to work with the Linux security community on the privileges issue. I'm sure you're smart enough to get this solved!

If this isn't a challenge to you I appreciate if you update your web site, reference to this dicussion with a link to the web archive of this thread?, and afterwards we're all happy no longer to see the same non moving forward discussion again and again. Cause you and we all have better things to do.

I know that I am smart enough to do this, but unfortunately people like Linus Torvalds usually prevent things to happen in official code and I have enough experience and enough other work, so I am not forced to work on things that will waste my time because they are rejected when they are ready. Linux has a _very_ collaborative and friendly community before y2000. then things changed and people made it hard for me to write software that works on Linux. Why did this happen? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Lars Müller

10:38

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:40:29AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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Well, it is not my fault when people at Suse neither understand why special privileges are needed, nor introduce a non-removable method into their OS base that would ppermit to get these special privileges without being root.

a) cdrtools isn't part of the default software set included with the openSUSE standard/ default software repositories. It's neither in the oss, the non-oss nor in the update repository of openSUSE versions 12.1, 12.2 or Factory. With a default openSUSE install cdrtools aren't available or visible to the users.

Why isn't this the case? This has been promised since 2009, why didn't it happen?

Nobody ever promised this. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00002.html explains why this all happend and I unfortunately missed to quote this article with my reply. Please read the details again below the section 'Forking cdrtools as cdrkit'. ### partial quote start Unfortunately Sun then developed the CDDL[1] and Jörg Schilling released parts of recent versions of cdrtools under this license. The CDDL is incompatible with the GPL. The FSF itself says that this is the case as do people who helped draft the CDDL. One current and one former Sun employee visited the annual Debian conference in Mexico in 2006. Danese Cooper clearly stated there that the CDDL was intentionally modelled on the MPL in order to make it GPL- incompatible. For everyone who wants to hear this first-hand, we have video from that talk available at [2]. ... [1] http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php [2] http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/theora-... ### partial quote end There is nothing further to say about this unfortunate issue. Try to work on it as suggested with my first reply. Good luck! Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

Joerg Schilling

10:54

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

Lars Müller wrote:

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Why isn't this the case? This has been promised since 2009, why didn't it happen?

Nobody ever promised this.

Wrong! In September 2009, SuSe promised to treat cdrtools no worse than cdrkit and to give the users of SuSE the ability to decide what to use.

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http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00002.html

Why do you quote such nonsense? In May 2004, the cdrtools packager for Debian resigned because of lack of time (he finished his university diploma). A new packager was named and it soon turned out that this packager was lazy and hostile. He asked me to integrate a self make patch to mkisofs that claimed to add support UTF-8 but was only halfway done, full of bugs and even caused many compiler warnings. I send him a list of the compiler warnings and told him that I cannot integrate bad code into the official mkisofs. His reaction was to mail repeated insults to me. Later, he tried to create the fairy tale that there was a license problem in cdrtools in hope to make people forget about his attacks. In future, please inform yourself correctly before repeating false claims from hostile people. BTW: the official mkisofs includes full working support for UTF-8 since Summer 2006, the so called debian "fork" still does not include working UTF-8 support. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Juergen Weigert

11:33

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

On Nov 22, 12 11:54:01 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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Lars Müller wrote:

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Why isn't this the case? This has been promised since 2009, why didn't it happen?

Nobody ever promised this. Wrong!

Sigh. I will not repeat myself.

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In September 2009, SuSe promised to treat cdrtools no worse than cdrkit and to give the users of SuSE the ability to decide what to use.

/usr/bin/wodim comes without root-s-bit. If you want to have that status, say so. I understand you ask for more than same status. Kernel changes and such... You can help users to decide by promoting both of these links on your website: http://software.opensuse.org/download/package.iframe?project=multimedia:apps&package=cdrtools http://software.opensuse.org/download/package.iframe?project=multimedia:apps&package=wodim cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 say #263A!__/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. ☺ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Joerg Schilling

21 Nov 21 Nov

16:50

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: cdrecord is no longer available in Tumbleweed??

Juergen Weigert wrote:

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On Nov 21, 12 16:33:04 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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If cdrtools is not in the main repo, you would need to ask Suse people as they promised to put cdrtools into the main repo in 2009 already.

Ha, wrong terminology there: We don't promise packages to go into Factory, we review them to go there. We helped you to get cdrtools into the same devel project as wodim. This help was promised earlier. For 'the main repo', please try

$ osc sr multimedia:apps cdrtools openSUSE:Factory

It it is in the main repo, why do people frequently ask how to get it?

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Btw: multimedia:apps/wodim was last updated in 2011, so it is less dead than you had assumed.

cdrkit currently has an overall of aprox. 100 serious bugs in the various bug tracking systems of Linux distros. I still tend to call something dead, if it does not fix these serious bugs but just applies some typo fixes in order to get a more recent release date. To be more specific: even direct bug reports to the cdrkit mailing list are just ignored. cdrkit is a result of introducing a hostile packager at Debian, 8.5 years ago. It is a bit diappointing to see that the OSS community has no working method to deal with attacks from hostile people against OSS projects within a reasonable amount of time. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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