Em Sex, 2017-04-14 às 14:17 -0600, Nate Graham escreveu:
Plenty of KDE things don't work. Plenty of GNOME things don't work, too. Pick the ones you like the best and use those, because thanks to a lot of people's hard work, KDE or QT programs look and generally behave fine in GNOME, and vice versa. I'm typing this in Thunderbird, running in KDE Plasma. Next to it is Firefox, Lollypop (GTK), Kate (QT/KDE). THere are some bugs, of course (all tracked in bugzillas), but they generally play nice. No need to get religious about it. Nate
I agree. All the desktop environments have pros and cons, but generally all of them work well, so there is no best. There are DEs that fit better for some people, while other DEs fit better for other people. As the original post is talking about KDE versus GNOME, I would like to share my opinion and my experience with those two DEs. I use Linux for a few years and I went through KDE 3.x to 5.x. It seems like the KDE guys like to reinvent the wheel from times to times (maybe they have learned that with Microsoft). I started with Kurumin 7.0 (KDE 3.5.5) [1] and, as it was discontinued, I switched to Debian 5.0 (KDE 3.5.10) [2]. KDE then was awesome. I've read a lot of people talking about KDE 4.x, so I switched to Kubuntu [3] to give it a try (not sure the version, but I think it was the 10.04 with KDE 4.4.2). KDE was well then, but after 3 unsuccessfull dist-upgrades (I think it is impossible to upgrade from one version to another on Ubuntu, which on the other hand works flawlessly on Debian and openSUSE), I came back to Debian, then 6.0 with KDE 4.4.5. But, despite Debian's stability, its KDE version seemed not to work as well for me. That was when I gave GNOME 2.30 a try. I used it for more than a year, it was working very well. That was when a friend of mine talked to me about openSUSE, I gave it a try and I'm using it since then: 12.2 (KDE 4.8.4), 12.3 (KDE 4.10), 13.1 (KDE 4.11.2), 13.2 (KDE 4.14.2) [4], all successfull zypper dup ;) KDE was finally awesome again, when... Leap 42.1 was released with KDE 5.4.2. Everything broke up again. I almost gave up on Leap [5], but then I came back to it and managed to use a newer version of KDE present on an OBS repo, the same that was later released with Leap 42.2 (KDE 5.8.2). That release was going better than the previous one, but I was still not happy with KDE (and fearing that in the future KDE 6.x would brake up everything again). I've read someone saying here that KDE better manages his/her two monitors. For me, using KDE 5.x with two monitors was a pain. Many times I had to reboot for my two monitors to work as I had setup them. And I've read many people on the Internet reporting similar issues. kscreenlocker was also a pain: often, I had to switch to a terminal (say, tty1), login as root and run loginctl unlock- sessions to unlock the screen. After testing many DEs within Leap 42.2, I'm using GNOME 3.20 for a few months now and I decided to definitely move to it. For my use cases, I found that GNOME is working better than KDE. For me, GNOME simply, magically works, as KDE used to be. On the other hand, leaving my disappointments with KDE for a while, I agree that openSUSE is the best KDE distro. It's true that I haven't tested Neon nor all the KDE distros available, but comparing openSUSE with the other distros I used (and some I have tested), the work of the openSUSE KDE team is awesome! The fact that they were able to bring the latest stable upstream release to a stable distribution as they did with Leap 42.2 shows how their packaging process is mature and safe. I think that KDE problems come from upstream, the openSUSE guys do what is possible to integrate KDE into the whole distribution. It's easy to see that people from other distros report the same bugs as the openSUSE KDE users report. In short, my opinion: if you ask me what is the best DE, I say the best DE is the one that best fits your needs. If you try KDE and GNOME and think KDE is the best, go on with KDE. If you think GNOME is the best, go on with GNOME. But if you ask me what I'm using now, I'm going to say I'm using GNOME. I think that "we should move to GNOME because many distros are doing that" is an invalid argument. "We should move to GNOME because it is better", maybe, but that is arguable: it is better for me, not necessarily it is better for everyone. "We should move to GNOME because it is more stable, it does not reinvent the wheel many times and things are more likely to keep working", well, I think that is more a feeling than a scientific argument, but that is by far the impression I have of the GNOME project. I would go with that. Antonio The Linux Kamarada Project https://kamarada.github.io/ [1] https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kurumin [2] https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian [3] https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu [4] https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse [5] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-07/msg00388.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org