On 21 July 2017 at 17:33, Brian K. White
Why don't you remind yourself and check out the pointless email you sent to opensuse last tuesday about linus's comment causing a huge pointless thread before you lecture others....
This one's easy. I don't agree it was either pointless or off-topic.
It doesn't matter if you think it is neither pointless nor off-topic. Communication is measured by it's reception by the audience, not the intent of the speaker.
As I expressed in that thread, I don't think opensuse should have followed the herd into using systemd.
And that is both pointless and off-topic. Pointless - All opinions regarding what is right or wrong is openSUSE are pointless in any openSUSE mailinglist unless they result in contributions that change that which is in openSUSE. The opinion that openSUSE should not have followed 'the herd' is one which has been shared for 6 years. It has not led to any contribution that changed the status of systemd in openSUSE. Therefore it is not only theoretically pointless, but demonstrably so. Off-topic - All opinions regarding what is technically present in openSUSE are not relevant to the opensuse-factory mailinglist unless there is a) a legitimate technical problem that needs to be addressed and/or b) a proposal on how to fix that problem (ideally with a clear intent from the poster to be part of the solution, or else 'Pointless' might apply). Your opinion that openSUSE should not have followed 'the herd' is not a legitimate technical problem. And you do not seem to have a clear, workable proposal on how to fix that problem. Therefore, it is clearly off-topic on this mailinglist, which exists to discuss the development of openSUSE's distributions.
Subsequently, when people said essentially "Well it's done now, get over it." I pointed out what should be stunningly obvious to such smart people. The init system can obviously be changed, since, we just changed it. That inarguably demonstrates that it can change, again.
It can change, if someone changes it. Asking for it to be changed, when some individuals have asked that for 6 years, isn't going to suddenly change the opinions of the developers who have decided they do not want to change it for the last 6 years. It is the very definition of the idiom "flogging a dead horse". Cease doing so.
The implication being, to something which does not infect all other apps and services with proprietary special dependencies, and which returns ultimate in-a-pinch control to the owner/operator, without a large complex binary black box binary doing a lot of inscrutable magic while you are trying to operate a system where all the normal magic isn't actually working.
You confuse "topic I don't like" with off-topic.
You confuse this mailinglist with somewhere which is receptive to hearing your opinion on a topic which has been discussed at length, for years. An opinion which you, yourself, do not seem to be willing to implement yourself, but expect others to do so, the very same who have listened to the arguments discussed, for years, and have not been swayed by them. There comes a time when people must accept that a topic has ended it's life as a topic of debatable opinion and must transition to one based on actual hard realities and contributions. systemD is the default in openSUSE. the openSUSE Project has spoken, through its contributions for years, that it currently intends to support only systemd as it's init system. Asking to change that has not swayed that collective opinion for years. Continuing to ask to change that, is unlikely to sway that collective opinion. On behalf of the whole project, I therefore suggest that it only sensible to cease discussing that topic; The only caveat to that request is, of course, in the face of actual contributions that might open the door to an alternative within the openSUSE project. If you disagree with the above request, please keep in mind you have chosen to approach this topic in a highly emotive, opinion-driven manner. This mailinglist is not your personal soap box, and on behalf of the Board I regret to inform you that the Project will have to consider active moderation of your posts if you continue to use it in this way. Regards, Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org