One of several things that keeps me using openSUSE in spite of the overall deterioration in its QC since so much paid help was laid off is that it puts off incorporating the newest bling until after other distros have spent substantial time debugging it. Another is its relative ease of disabling bling. *buntu's, Fedora's & Mandriva's default boot bling has seriously put me off - it's hard to entirely get rid of. One of the things I hate about Windows is its hidden boot process, which curtains and prevents following progress, as well as seeing progress delayed or halted when something is wrong. Text boot is just the opposite, keeping me apprised of progress and speed, and using the (readily configurable) whole screen to do so. I don't think just because anyone is moving from Windows to Linux is reason to think they'd rather be kept in the dark during boot as with the OS they are _leaving_ or considering leaving. After all, surely they expect differences, one of which must be the ability to be apprised of what's going on once in a while, if not routinely. To me, "flicker" is just another indication something is happening, no indication something is "wrong". I'm vastly more bothered by a semi-visible "progress" bar hiding in a small portion of the display, or lack of indication when something isn't right. I really don't care whether Plymouth is in the distro or not, as long as it is dead simple to avoid from the beginning and won't be pulled in later from some misplaced dependency on some theme or something that's actually useful. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org