[Bug 223252] New: Fonts look smudged on KDE
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 Summary: Fonts look smudged on KDE Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Beta 2 plus Platform: i386 OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Critical Priority: P5 - None Component: X.Org AssignedTo: sndirsch@novell.com ReportedBy: alx_maldonado@yahoo.com QAContact: sndirsch@novell.com It looks like anti-alising is not working correctly. I've installed the latest updates from OSS-factory. Using the latest nvidia drivers ( NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9629-pkg1.run ) here are my xorg packages: fontconfig-2.4.1-12 xorg-x11-libXrender-7.2-8 xorg-x11-server-7.2-19 xorg-x11-driver-input-7.2-12 xorg-x11-libXprintUtil-7.2-4 xorg-x11-fonts-core-7.2-9 xorg-x11-libICE-7.2-9 xorg-x11-libXau-7.2-4 xorg-x11-libX11-7.2-7 xorg-x11-libXp-7.2-4 xorg-x11-fonts-7.2-9 xorg-x11-libSM-7.2-8 xorg-x11-libfontenc-7.2-8 xorg-x11-libxkbfile-7.2-8 xorg-x11-libXt-7.2-9 xorg-x11-libXext-7.2-8 xorg-x11-libXv-7.2-4 xorg-x11-libXpm-7.2-8 xorg-x11-Xvnc-7.1-18 xorg-x11-libXdmcp-7.2-4 xorg-x11-libs-7.2-13 xorg-x11-driver-video-7.2-18 xorg-x11-libXmu-7.2-9 xorg-x11-7.2-16 xorg-x11-libXfixes-7.2-9 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 sndirsch@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|sndirsch@novell.com |kde-maintainers@suse.de Component|X.Org |KDE QAContact|sndirsch@novell.com |qa@suse.de ------- Comment #1 from sndirsch@novell.com 2006-11-22 09:12 MST ------- It might help to give us more details (e.g. screenshots), why you think the font rendering of openSUSE 10.2 is worse than the one of 10.1. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 dmueller@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|kde-maintainers@suse.de |mfabian@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |alx_maldonado@yahoo.com ------- Comment #2 from mfabian@novell.com 2006-11-22 09:41 MST ------- Please attach a screen shot and the latest changelog entries of the fonts-config and fontconfig packages. → NEEDINFO -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #3 from coolo@novell.com 2006-11-27 01:47 MST ------- update? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #5 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-18 13:28 MST ------- Created an attachment (id=113746) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=113746&action=view) Font rendering in suse 10.2 I'll reopen this bug. I installed Suse 10.2 today and I must say, that comparing to suse 10.0 font rendering is terrible. I didn't delete my home partition, so font settings should remain the same, but in suse 10.2 fonts are a lot smaller. Now let's get to attached screenshot. Look at numbers 1 and 2 - font should have different sizes, but they are the same. Letter 'S' marked as number 3 look horrible. Other letter as well. This are the best look I could get. I can attach some screenshots with subpixel rendering turned off and without full hinting. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME | ------- Comment #6 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-18 13:28 MST ------- Reopening bug (see previous comment). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |coolo@novell.com Status|REOPENED |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #7 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 04:36 MST ------- Jan S> I can attach some screenshots with subpixel rendering turned off Subpixel hinting is turned off at compile time in the freetype2 package in openSUSE 10.2. I.e. it makes no difference if you turn it on in KDE or not, it is always off. If you want to have subpixel hinting, recompile your freetype2 package and change %define enable_subpixel_rendering 0 to one in freetype2.spec. Please read the comment above %define enable_subpixel_rendering 0 to one in freetype2.spec. Please read the comment above #define FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING in include/freetype/config/ftoption.h in the freetype sources before doing that. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #8 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 04:41 MST ------- Jan S> I didn't delete my home partition, so font settings should Jan S> remain the same, but in suse 10.2 fonts are a lot smaller. The autohinter ist switched off by default for most fonts in openSUSE 10.2. Instead of the autohinter, the byte code interpreter is used by default for most fonts. In my opinion, this gives superior results. I cannot see anything wront with your screen shot, the fonts are very sharp. The autohinter gives you a much bolder, more blurred appearance. If you really prefer the autohinter, add the rule <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="autohint" > <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> to your ~/.fonts.conf. You cannot setup this with a GUI, neither in KDE nor in Gnome, you have to write that manually into your ~/.fonts.conf. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #9 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 05:01 MST ------- Jan S> Now let's get to attached screenshot. Look at numbers 1 and 2 - font Jan S> should have different sizes, but they are the same. That has nothing to do with font rendering. You see in the amarok setup dialog in your screen shot that the 13 point font is larger than the 11 point font in the preview. That the 13 point font isn't applied to the side bar can only be an amarok problem, not a font rendering problem. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #10 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 05:14 MST ------- Jan S> Letter 'S' marked as number 3 look horrible. I don't think so. By the way, font rendering with anti-aliasing currently always looks better with dark fonts on a light background, best with black fonts on a white background. The reason is that freetype doesn't do gamma correction yet. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME ------- Comment #11 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 05:15 MST ------- Closing as WORKSFORME because I cannot see any problem with the font rendering here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #12 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 06:15 MST ------- I created a new bug for the amarok problem. See bug #236684. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME | ------- Comment #13 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-19 06:29 MST ------- Well.. for me the difference from 10.0 is really HUGE. I can see it on letters with curves like 'S', 'O' or 'C'. It looks as though curved parts were a bit transparent. On the pother hand, some parts of other letters are to thick. I'll post one more screenshot of font rendering in Firefox.
font rendering with anti-aliasing currently always looks better with dark fonts on a light background, In 10.0 white fonts on dark background looked perfect.
I cannot see anything wront with your screen shot, the fonts are very sharp.
Believe me.. if they were I wouldn't take time for reporting this :( -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #14 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-19 06:31 MST ------- Created an attachment (id=113890) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=113890&action=view) Font rendering in firefox Look at the letter 'g'. 'W' is also a lot thicker than other letters. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #15 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-19 06:34 MST ------- I know this is not a forum for answering questions, but I'd like to ask this: id I replace freetype2 withe the one from SuSE 10.0, will the font rendering be the same as in 10.0?? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #16 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 07:12 MST ------- It will make a difference but the rendering will not be the same because the setup has been changed. Have you tried the suggestion with the autohinter? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 mfabian@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME ------- Comment #17 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 07:17 MST ------- Jan S> Well.. for me the difference from 10.0 is really HUGE. I can see it on Jan S> letters with curves like 'S', 'O' or 'C'. It looks as though curved Jan S> parts were a bit transparent. On the pother hand, some parts of other Jan S> letters are to thick. Of course this cannot be seen anymore if *everything* is very bold and blurred which is what you get if you use the autohinter. [... firefox, different problem ...] Jan S> > font rendering with anti-aliasing currently always looks Jan S> > better with dark fonts on a light background, Jan S> In 10.0 white fonts on dark background looked perfect. No, anti-aliased font rendering of white fonts on a dark background always had problems on Linux. This has never been fixed. Most likely you didn't see it as clearly as you see it now because the autohinter was used by default on 10.0 and everything was thus rendered much bolder. It is less obvious then. Jan S> > I cannot see anything wront Jan S> > with your screen shot, the fonts are very sharp. Jan S> Jan S> Believe me.. if they were I wouldn't take time for reporting this :( Your amarok screen shot is almost as perfect as can be apart from the "light fonts on a dard background problem". Please try the autohinter. Closing this bug as WORKSFORME. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #18 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-19 07:24 MST -------
Comment #14 From Jan S 2007-01-19 06:31:51 MST [ ] Private
Created an attachment (id=113890) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=113890&action=view) [edit] Font rendering in firefox
Look at the letter 'g'. 'W' is also a lot thicker than other letters.
Your Firefox screen shot looks really bad indeed. I cannot reproduce that though, you must be doing something wrong, I have no idea what that could be. → still WORKSFORME. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #19 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-19 10:04 MST ------- I tried the autohinter - I think it looks better, although fonts could be just a bit less blurred. As for the firefox, maybe it's a matter of settings. For me this is: Default font: sans-serif, size 15 Advanced options: Proportional: "non-serif", size 15 ("non-serif" is my own translation from Polish. I hope it's accurate). Serif: sans-serif Non-serif: sans-serif Constatnt width: monospace, size 16 Minimal font size: 16 Default encoding is iso-8859-2 Don't know if the firefox font rendering has anything to do with KDE font rendering. BTW. I'm using linux for 3 years now, so not that long. Font rendering was always one of the biggest problems for me. Suse 10.0 was doing it the best way, while Debian was the worst. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #20 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-22 07:43 MST ------- Jan S> I tried the autohinter - I think it looks better, although Jan S> fonts could be just a bit less blurred. Please try the latest freetype2 update. Freetype 2.3.0 has been released recently. Packages are in http://software.opensuse.org/download/M17N/openSUSE_10.2/ Does that help? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #21 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-22 07:50 MST ------- Jan S> As for the firefox, maybe it's a matter of settings. For me Jan S> this is: Jan S> Default font: sans-serif, size 15 Jan S> Advanced options: Jan S> Proportional: "non-serif", size 15 ("non-serif" is my own translation from Jan S> Polish. I hope it's accurate). Jan S> Serif: sans-serif Jan S> Non-serif: sans-serif So you don't make any disctinction between sans-serif (= non-serif) and serif. That's OK if you like that though. Jan S> Constant width: monospace, size 16 Jan S> Minimal font size: 16 Jan S> Jan S> Default encoding is iso-8859-2 Jan S> Don't know if the firefox font rendering has anything to do Jan S> with KDE font rendering. Yes, a little bit. Firefox is a bit weird as far as font settings are concerned. See also bug #232508. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #22 from mfabian@novell.com 2007-01-22 08:06 MST ------- Although Firefox is a GTK2 application, it doesn't take all the font settings from gnome-font-properties like other GTK2/Gnome applications like for example Gimp and Gedit do. Firefox only takes some of the settings from the Gnome control centre and others from the fontconfig setup files like ~/.fonts.conf. It is not nice that KDE and Gnome store the font settings in different places (KDE in ~/.fonts.conf and Gnome in the X-Resources). But until that is fixed it is best to set your favorite settings in both places. I.e. something like Xft.antialias: 1 Xft.hinting: 1 Xft.hintstyle: hintfull Xft.rgba: rgb in your ~/.Xdefaults (edit these settings as yo like) and something like <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="rgba" > <const>rgb</const> </edit> </match> <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="hinting" > <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="autohint" > <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="hintstyle" > <const>hintfull</const> </edit> </match> <match target="font" > <edit mode="assign" name="antialias" > <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> <alias> <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> </prefer> </alias> <alias> <family>sans-serif</family> <prefer> <family>Albany AMT</family> </prefer> </alias> <alias> <family>monospace</family> <prefer> <family>DejaVu Sans Mono</family> </prefer> </alias> If you keep the settings the same, font rendering in KDE, GTK2, Gnome, Firefox, .. should be more consistent. For "Thorndale AMT", "Albany AMT", "DejaVu Sans Mono" use your favorite fonts for "serif", "sans-serif", and "monospace" respectively. These 3 rules give the defaults for all the applications which use the aliases "serif", "sans-serif", and "monospace". I.e. instead setting up your favorite fonts in each application seperately, you can just edit ~/.fonts.conf and have your favorite fonts used almost everywhere. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223252 ------- Comment #23 from fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl 2007-01-24 13:10 MST -------
Please try the latest freetype2 update. Freetype 2.3.0 has been released recently.
I tried it. I think it's quite an improvment. I turned off autohinting and fonts look ok (some letters are just a bit blurred, but that's acceptable). As for other advices I'll try them during the weekend. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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