Apologies for the top post but I'm very short on time this weekend I have a very strong objection to deciding the default wallpaper of the distribution by voting We have tried that repeatedly, and each time that has happened, the design chosen by popular vote was absolutely unusable as a default wallpaper/base for distribution branding, which just resulted in an amplified mess - there's one thing worse than an ad-hoc decision making process, and that's a rushed ad-hoc decision making process because the primary one failed, raised peoples expectations, and dashed them because of technical realities. When it comes to 13.2, this is how I see things - note, this is my personal OPINION, I know I'm probably missing stuff and that my opinion it's not universally shared, but I'm sharing it now succinctly for clarity. 1. We have a new YaST branding from Kenneth which everyone seems to accept 2. We have 2 leading designs for a default wallpaper - one from Marcus, one from Zvesdana 3. The one from Marcus compliments the current KDE theme 4. The one from Zvesdana compliments Kenneths YaST theme 5. There's lots of other nice designs from other people that I feel are more suitable for a supplementary wallpapers package. Now, as a maintainer of the branding package, at this point I see it as my responsibility to tidy up this mess, make decisions, and get stuff implemented. I, personally, intend to choose Zvesdanas design. The factors which led me to this decision are as follows: A - It compliments the new YaST design with is a major change for the distro which everyone, not just KDE users, will see B - Zvesdana's design hits the suggested criteria that I proposed for the 13.2 branding, no Geeko, clear, clean, fresh C - I feel that, while I like Marcus' design, it borrows too much from the previous designs, when I really wanted to do something very fresh. D - Marcus design has a very striking Gradient and soft focus, while beautiful, also poses HUGE problems for me to implement complimentary works in Grub, Plymouth, where such things are much harder to get to look right. Marcus overstated my abilities when he threw the design up and said that "Richard could handle the gradient" - it's just too fine and too much work for me to do. E - Zvesdana's design has provided me some inspirational ideas for how to brand things like Grub/Plymouth/etc, where as I've drawn a blank on how to effectively brand those parts of the distro in a way that compliments Marcus' design. F - Zvesdana is a new contributor to the Project who's never had a wallpaper in the distribution before, where as Marcus is a rugged veteran who hopefully will understand where I'm coming from with this and understand there is nothing personal in my opinion. So that's what I think, but for the record, this isn't a dictatorial decision. If people want to put together an alternative branding package, or really think they can make another design work, great, and I will honestly, openly, and fairly consider any SR's to the branding-openSUSE package - especially if they get submitted before I have time to do the work myself But this is my statement of where I intend to put my efforts over the next week to get 13.2 branded. I'm sorry this isn't going to be to everyone's pleasure, but I have to put my time into working with the option I feel is best/easiest/etc On 24 August 2014 09:34, marguerite wrote:
Hi, team,
I didn't mean to trigger another war, or shame someone...
I just want to help getting the work done without making previous maintainer(s) feel uncomfortable, so I want to learn the rules & principles of artwork team.
Since 12.2 release, I've been continously making wallpapers for openSUSE, and none of them has chance to go official. So did many of us. One reason is that I'm still talented enough, but I think there might be some other reasons:
1. We're always rushing (Or change a way of saying: We merely do anything before deadline's knocking our door) 2. We don't have a decision making guideline. Eg: someone posted a wallpaper here, we discuss endlessly(there're likes and dislikes, just like every other thing), but no way to decide, "well, this will be the default" or "okay, this one is a good candidate so let's absorb it into git". Bruno said "general acceptance", but who to count the results? 3. The artist don't know how to make a step closer. He thinks that after leaving his artwork here, everything is done. He don't know he has to create a git pull request himself. (That is, we need to develop a guideline on wiki)
So in the end, release came and we hereby found a hidden group has made the branding things (the "who do get more power" theory), while still no outsiders can know how things were decided. Then start over for another release, again.
So my idea is: we just work, let other people judge (A vote). I see plenty of resources & materials on flickr. we just need to decide.
I have the packaging skills to make things happen. But it's a chicken & egg question, we need to decide what to package at first.
So if anyone still think my voting proposal is absolutely non-sense, please speak. Or I'll be rushing on that. Then after the release we come back and discuss the drafts for such decision making/artwork sumitting process. Is that fine?
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