[opensuse-artwork] 13.2 default wallpaper and supplementary wallpapers
Hi, listmates, I'm wondering if: 1. we have decided the default wallpaper for 13.2 ; 2. we have created a supplementary wallpapers package. If not, I can help, but I think we may need at first a wallpaper contest or something to avoid selection based on the packager's likes. There's an existing voting system depolyed on vote.suse.org.cn for the logo contest for openSUSE Asia Summit, so we can use it as infrastructure. I'm its system admin so that's not a problem from my side. We have been "promising" that for a long time since 12.2... 3. What's the codename of 13.2 will be? can any early tester give me some hints so that I can make a wallpaper from it? Marguerite
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Hi, listmates,
I'm wondering if:
1. we have decided the default wallpaper for 13.2 ; 2. we have created a supplementary wallpapers package. If not, I can help, but I think we may need at first a wallpaper contest or something to avoid selection based on the packager's likes. There's an existing voting system depolyed on vote.suse.org.cn for the logo contest for openSUSE Asia Summit, so we can use it as infrastructure. I'm its system admin so that's not a problem from my side. We have been "promising" that for a long time since 12.2...
3. What's the codename of 13.2 will be? can any early tester give me some hints so that I can make a wallpaper from it?
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On Thursday 14 August 2014 17.56:04 marguerite wrote:
Hi, listmates,
I'm wondering if:
1. we have decided the default wallpaper for 13.2 ; Not I aware of 2. we have created a supplementary wallpapers package. If not, I can help, but I think we may need at first a wallpaper contest or something to avoid selection based on the packager's likes. There's an existing voting system depolyed on vote.suse.org.cn for the logo contest for openSUSE Asia Summit, so we can use it as infrastructure. I'm its system admin so that's not a problem from my side. We have been "promising" that for a long time since 12.2... could be an idea
3. What's the codename of 13.2 will be? can any early tester give me some hints so that I can make a wallpaper from it? I would avoid any code name or version in the wallpaper, no one knows if we will not keep it for the next one. --
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Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks...
I'm planning to lauch a wallpaper contest this week, any volunteers want to join me?
Basically here's my plan:
1. at least 1920x1600 resolution, CC-BY-SA licensed.
2. no violence, no trademark, no author information (like sign your name on the wall)
3. main color must be green
4. must have a meaningful name (we don't want to collect many files named "openSUSE_13.2.{png,svg}")
5. better be open source processed (that is, xcf/svg as source, Photoshop source files are not doable for us)
6. tell us who you are.
And the steps:
0. ask a member from our news team to call for artwork for this contest on news.opensuse.org
1. A paticipant posts a thread here in this ML with title "[13.2 contest]
marguerite wrote:
Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks...
I'm planning to lauch a wallpaper contest this week, any volunteers want to join me?
Basically here's my plan:
1. at least 1920x1600 resolution, CC-BY-SA licensed. 2. no violence, no trademark, no author information (like sign your name on the wall) 3. main color must be green 4. must have a meaningful name (we don't want to collect many files named "openSUSE_13.2.{png,svg}") 5. better be open source processed (that is, xcf/svg as source, Photoshop source files are not doable for us) 6. tell us who you are.
And the steps:
0. ask a member from our news team to call for artwork for this contest on news.opensuse.org 1. A paticipant posts a thread here in this ML with title "[13.2 contest]
-<my name>" and links to the preview screenshot and the source file as content. 2. We (basically me) continuously collect wallpapers till Sep. 10th. 3. Then all wallpapers collected will be on http://vote.suse.org.cn (there's a voting tool set up there) and let users vote 4. the vote itself will end on Sep. 15th. Then the 1st one will be our default wallpaper for 13.2 and the following 9 wallpapers will be in our supplementary wallpaper package "openSUSE-wallpapers-supplementary". That is, there'll be 10 wallpapers for this release. So we at least have to collect 20 (50% in 50% out) wallpapers for the contest.
So how's my plan?
Marguerite
I am willing to help on this :) -- Andy (anditosan) anditosan.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 20 August 2014 23.37:07 marguerite wrote:
Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks...
I'm planning to lauch a wallpaper contest this week, any volunteers want to join me?
Basically here's my plan:
1. at least 1920x1600 resolution, CC-BY-SA licensed. 2. no violence, no trademark, no author information (like sign your name on the wall) 3. main color must be green 4. must have a meaningful name (we don't want to collect many files named "openSUSE_13.2.{png,svg}") 5. better be open source processed (that is, xcf/svg as source, Photoshop source files are not doable for us) 6. tell us who you are.
And the steps:
0. ask a member from our news team to call for artwork for this contest on news.opensuse.org 1. A paticipant posts a thread here in this ML with title "[13.2 contest]
- <my name>" and links to the preview screenshot and the source file as content. 2. We (basically me) continuously collect wallpapers till Sep. 10th. 3. Then all wallpapers collected will be on http://vote.suse.org.cn (there's a voting tool set up there) and let users vote 4. the vote itself will end on Sep. 15th. Then the 1st one will be our default wallpaper for 13.2 and the following 9 wallpapers will be in our supplementary wallpaper package "openSUSE-wallpapers-supplementary". That is, there'll be 10 wallpapers for this release. So we at least have to collect 20 (50% in 50% out) wallpapers for the contest.
So how's my plan?
Marguerite
There's one restriction that can help too ... Try to avoid humans on it ... It's source of questions, conflicts etc ... -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
El 20/08/14 17:37, marguerite escribió:
Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks...
I'm planning to lauch a wallpaper contest this week, any volunteers want to join me?
Basically here's my plan:
1. at least 1920x1600 resolution, CC-BY-SA licensed. 2. no violence, no trademark, no author information (like sign your name on the wall) 3. main color must be green 4. must have a meaningful name (we don't want to collect many files named "openSUSE_13.2.{png,svg}") 5. better be open source processed (that is, xcf/svg as source, Photoshop source files are not doable for us) 6. tell us who you are.
And the steps:
0. ask a member from our news team to call for artwork for this contest on news.opensuse.org 1. A paticipant posts a thread here in this ML with title "[13.2 contest]
- <my name>" and links to the preview screenshot and the source file as content. 2. We (basically me) continuously collect wallpapers till Sep. 10th. 3. Then all wallpapers collected will be on http://vote.suse.org.cn (there's a voting tool set up there) and let users vote 4. the vote itself will end on Sep. 15th. Then the 1st one will be our default wallpaper for 13.2 and the following 9 wallpapers will be in our supplementary wallpaper package "openSUSE-wallpapers-supplementary". That is, there'll be 10 wallpapers for this release. So we at least have to collect 20 (50% in 50% out) wallpapers for the contest.
So how's my plan?
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Great! Some of us send our proposals to GitHub... Do we have to re-send them? I mean, I'm a lazy Geeko! Do I have to take a screenshot, etc?? XD some Geekos in the spanish forum want to participate with some pictures, can they join? Is possible to participate with that type of files, or are only restricted to svg format? Bye! PS: Me reading for spread the word about this!! ;) -- (GPG Key: 0xF782C8C2) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/08/14 17:37, marguerite wrote:
Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks... Sorry, I think that there has been some progress. I worked on a new installer theme and several people have suggested wallpapers. Personally, I would like some feedback on the installer work :-) It's available from my github branch of the opensuse branding package. Nobody has really responded to that so I'm not sure whether I should try to get it included in 13.2. In any case it is available for testing. Currently one has to manually copy things over into an install on a virtual machine to test it but maybe someone here could help build a package? I know that Mr. Brown is **really** busy atm so I won't even ask for his help. I dream of a day in which I know how to build opensuse packages :-)
Here is how I test things in a virtual system: Boot an install iso and enter the boot parameters "startshell=1" (us keyboard mapping at first, good luck non-americans! You can change it via an F key at the bottom but I just suck it up and try to figure it out because I often forget to change it later :p). This command will make the system boot into a shell from which you can run various commands even up to the installer itself. This way you can start the installer and abort it, change files and then restart it. At the console run "yast". When the ui starts accept the license, select your keyboard language for convenience (see above) and click next. After this just abort the installation. If everything went well you will have network and the right keyboard for non-americans. Back in the console after the ui stops... cd /usr/share/YaST2/ mkdir theme.new cp -r theme/* theme.new/ rm -r theme mv theme.new theme cd theme/current/wizard/ copy the files from my github branch of the opensuse git repository (https://github.com/kwwii/branding/tree/13.2) into /branding/yast/ (specifically those in https://github.com/kwwii/branding/tree/13.2/yast/) into the installation system per scp. scp username@IP:/path/to/dir/branding/yast/* . (use the command "ip a" to find your ip address!) enter "yast" in the command line and see the changes in the ui! Editing the installation.qss file in /usr/share/YaST2/theme/current/wizard/ in the installation system changes the look of the installer similar to css but subtly different - http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/stylesheet-reference.html has the details. You can override some things on the fly by opening the stylesheet editor in the installer (cmd-shft-alt-s) but often you need to edit qss in advance so that your changes are loaded before the page is rendered. You'll understand once you try it :-) I'll still be around for intensive questioning tomorrow European time but after that I am flying halfway around the world to the middle of nowhere for three weeks and cannot promise any kind of communication...nice, eh? :-D -- Kenneth Wimer SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 21 August 2014 00.13:47 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
On 20/08/14 17:37, marguerite wrote:
Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks... Sorry, I think that there has been some progress. I worked on a new installer theme and several people have suggested wallpapers. Personally, I would like some feedback on the installer work :-) It's available from my github branch of the opensuse branding package. Nobody has really responded to that so I'm not sure whether I should try to get it included in 13.2. In any case it is available for testing. Currently one has to manually copy things over into an install on a virtual machine to test it but maybe someone here could help build a package? I know that Mr. Brown is **really** busy atm so I won't even ask for his help. I dream of a day in which I know how to build opensuse packages :-)
Here is how I test things in a virtual system:
Boot an install iso and enter the boot parameters "startshell=1" (us keyboard mapping at first, good luck non-americans! You can change it via an F key at the bottom but I just suck it up and try to figure it out because I often forget to change it later :p). This command will make the system boot into a shell from which you can run various commands even up to the installer itself. This way you can start the installer and abort it, change files and then restart it.
At the console run "yast". When the ui starts accept the license, select your keyboard language for convenience (see above) and click next. After this just abort the installation. If everything went well you will have network and the right keyboard for non-americans.
Back in the console after the ui stops... cd /usr/share/YaST2/ mkdir theme.new cp -r theme/* theme.new/ rm -r theme mv theme.new theme cd theme/current/wizard/
copy the files from my github branch of the opensuse git repository (https://github.com/kwwii/branding/tree/13.2) into /branding/yast/ (specifically those in https://github.com/kwwii/branding/tree/13.2/yast/) into the installation system per scp.
scp username@IP:/path/to/dir/branding/yast/* . (use the command "ip a" to find your ip address!)
enter "yast" in the command line and see the changes in the ui!
Editing the installation.qss file in /usr/share/YaST2/theme/current/wizard/ in the installation system changes the look of the installer similar to css but subtly different - http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/stylesheet-reference.html has the details.
You can override some things on the fly by opening the stylesheet editor in the installer (cmd-shft-alt-s) but often you need to edit qss in advance so that your changes are loaded before the page is rendered. You'll understand once you try it :-)
I'll still be around for intensive questioning tomorrow European time but after that I am flying halfway around the world to the middle of nowhere for three weeks and cannot promise any kind of communication...nice, eh? :-D
Did you think the job you're done is enough to be release? Which I guess. I can't promise to be able to package it correctly but push on the right direction -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 21 August 2014 00.13:47 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
On 20/08/14 17:37, marguerite wrote:
Hi,
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks... Sorry, I think that there has been some progress. I worked on a new installer theme and several people have suggested wallpapers. Personally, I would like some feedback on the installer work :-) It's available from my github branch of the opensuse branding package. Nobody has really responded to that so I'm not sure whether I should try to get it included in 13.2. In any case it is available for testing. Currently one has to manually copy things over into an install on a virtual machine to test it but maybe someone here could help build a package? I know that Mr. Brown is **really** busy atm so I won't even ask for his help. I dream of a day in which I know how to build opensuse packages :-)
Here is how I test things in a virtual system:
Boot an install iso and enter the boot parameters "startshell=1" (us keyboard mapping at first, good luck non-americans! You can change it via an F key at the bottom but I just suck it up and try to figure it out because I often forget to change it later :p). This command will make the system boot into a shell from which you can run various commands even up to the installer itself. This way you can start the installer and abort it, change files and then restart it.
At the console run "yast". When the ui starts accept the license, select your keyboard language for convenience (see above) and click next. After this just abort the installation. If everything went well you will have network and the right keyboard for non-americans.
Back in the console after the ui stops... cd /usr/share/YaST2/ mkdir theme.new cp -r theme/* theme.new/ rm -r theme mv theme.new theme cd theme/current/wizard/
copy the files from my github branch of the opensuse git repository (https://github.com/kwwii/branding/tree/13.2) into /branding/yast/ (specifically those in https://github.com/kwwii/branding/tree/13.2/yast/) into the installation system per scp.
scp username@IP:/path/to/dir/branding/yast/* . (use the command "ip a" to find your ip address!)
enter "yast" in the command line and see the changes in the ui!
Editing the installation.qss file in /usr/share/YaST2/theme/current/wizard/ in the installation system changes the look of the installer similar to css but subtly different - http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/stylesheet-reference.html has the details.
You can override some things on the fly by opening the stylesheet editor in the installer (cmd-shft-alt-s) but often you need to edit qss in advance so that your changes are loaded before the page is rendered. You'll understand once you try it :-)
I'll still be around for intensive questioning tomorrow European time but after that I am flying halfway around the world to the middle of nowhere for three weeks and cannot promise any kind of communication...nice, eh? :-D
Did you think the job you're done is enough to be release? Which I guess. I think that the work I did is ready for final testing and that any bugs
I can't promise to be able to package it correctly but push on the right direction I really wanted to get some feedback in case there are any last minute changes which I could help with before I leave on vacation. I would assume that merging my branch into the main repo should not be a big
On 21/08/14 07:59, Bruno Friedmann wrote: that are found should be pretty easy and straight forward to fix. One thing that still needs to be done is to adjust the border color of the twm windows used as pop-ups. That code is somewhere else and I have no idea where :-/ problem when it comes to building packages (for those who know such wizardry) -- Kenneth Wimer SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Kenneth Wimer schrieb:
On 20/08/14 17:37, marguerite wrote:
Well it seems there's no progress made for 13.2 artworks...
Sorry, I think that there has been some progress. I worked on a new installer theme and several people have suggested wallpapers. Personally, I would like some feedback on the installer work :-) It's available from my github branch of the opensuse branding package. Nobody has really responded to that so I'm not sure whether I should try to get it included in 13.2. In any case it is available for testing. Currently one has to manually copy things over into an install on a virtual machine to test it but maybe someone here could help build a package? I know that Mr. Brown is **really** busy atm so I won't even ask for his help. I dream of a day in which I know how to build opensuse packages :-)
I think we can work on that :-) For your use case that is developing the new style a driver update disk would likely be easier though. A driver update disk is an overlay linuxrc applies to the file system before it starts yast. You can pass e.g. a http url at the boot prompt to make the installer use the DuD. That way you avoid all the manual steps to stop and start yast etc. Steffen Winterfeldt may help with DuDs. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2: 1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) 2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: 1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? 3. icon theme? 4. grub2 theme? 5. plymouth theme? 6. GDM/KDM theme? 7. wallpaper? 8. LXDE, XFCE? 9. color scheme? 10. misc? I think we may need a central check-list (a trello project or someting on https://progress.opensuse.org?) so even someone who always shoot and run can have a clear view of what have been done...eg for now I'm completely confused: I don't konw whether I should continue implementing my wallpaper contest idea, because now I don't know how supplementary wallpapers were chosen (random pick on Flickr?), whether we have default wallpaper or not (Bruno said not yet, but victorhck said Spanish speaking members have submitted some, while I myself, as a two-year citizen for this ML, don't even know anything about the whole submitting process!), what's needed and what's not needed (see the above list, if I want to help right now, where should I get myself started?)...I don't even know who's part of the team...there's no communication, no governance, at all, for at least, well several releases. So please let's use some collaboration tool to give everyone a clear map. Marguerite
El Viernes, 22 de agosto de 2014 23:22:09 marguerite escribió:
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
Hi. For LXDE: 1. Set Adwaita as default GTK theme and changes in the panel appearance to match the theme: done 2. New LXDM theme: done http://susepaste.org/40688846 http://susepaste.org/35077413 3. Openbox theme that mimics Adwaita that will be the default GTK theme for LXDE 13.2: done http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Adwaita-ob?content=162589 4. I have just packaged a new version of LXPanel with custom gtkrc support. New theme in progress. http://susepaste.org/62427896 5. Packaging: in progress 1 and 3 are ready. Currently I'm packaging lxdm-branding-openSUSE, very slowly because I've got little experience packaging and have to figure out what to split in the branding subpackages. I think package freeze will be soon and I won't finish before the deadline the pending tasks. It's not only packaging, It has to be tested. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 22 August 2014 23.22:09 marguerite wrote:
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/ Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz... Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-) So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64 was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
8. LXDE, XFCE? 9. color scheme? Will come from yast2 base I guess. 10. misc?
I think we may need a central check-list (a trello project or someting on https://progress.opensuse.org?) so even someone who always shoot and run can have a clear view of what have been done...eg for now I'm completely confused: Why not another tools ... we're excellent to have tons of them. But nothing will replace the do (*in time" is just a phantasm)
I don't konw whether I should continue implementing my wallpaper contest idea, because now I don't know how supplementary wallpapers were chosen (random pick on Flickr?), whether we have default wallpaper or not (Bruno said not yet, but victorhck said Spanish speaking members have submitted some, while I myself, as a two-year citizen for this ML, don't even know anything about the whole submitting process!), what's needed and what's not needed (see the above list, if I want to help right now, where should I get myself started?)...I don't even know who's part of the team...there's no communication, no governance, at all, for at least, well several releases. So please let's use some collaboration tool to give everyone a clear map. Can't say anything about how it was organized without digging in the -artwork archives.
Marguerite
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Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/
Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz...
Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-)
So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64 was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
Mine is already in git. I proposed a while back a wallpaper which plays well with the current theme. This would allow us to keep the rest of the design as is. Changing all components might already be too late. Greets Marcus
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On Saturday 23 August 2014 10.23:42 marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/
Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz...
Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-)
So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64 was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
Mine is already in git.
I proposed a while back a wallpaper which plays well with the current theme. This would allow us to keep the rest of the design as is.
Changing all components might already be too late.
Greets Marcus
Which one are we talking about ? Wallpapers/13.2/openSUSE_13_2.svg ( Damn blurry geeko in the middle of the screen, that make you believe you've to go to ophthalmologist) Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers /openSUSE_13_2.svg variation of first one, with light ray openSUSE_13_2_bub.svg same with bubles openSUSE_13_2_lin.svg just a line I didn't remember which consensus was made on which one. Could you send us some message link about the yes ... -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Am 23.08.2014 um 13:40 schrieb Bruno Friedmann:
On Saturday 23 August 2014 10.23:42 marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/
Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz...
Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-)
So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64 was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
Mine is already in git.
I proposed a while back a wallpaper which plays well with the current theme. This would allow us to keep the rest of the design as is.
Changing all components might already be too late.
Greets Marcus
Which one are we talking about ?
Wallpapers/13.2/openSUSE_13_2.svg ( Damn blurry geeko in the middle of the screen, that make you believe you've to go to ophthalmologist)
Yes, this one. I really appreciate your loving comments. Greetings Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/
Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz...
Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-)
So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64
was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
Mine is already in git.
I proposed a while back a wallpaper which plays well with the current theme. This would allow us to keep the rest of the design as is.
Changing all components might already be too late.
Greets Marcus
Which one are we talking about ?
Wallpapers/13.2/openSUSE_13_2.svg ( Damn blurry geeko in the middle of the screen, that make you believe you've to go to ophthalmologist)
Yes, this one. I really appreciate your loving comments.
Btw. this was my last contribution to this 'team'. I don't want to waste my time just to receive such comments. Greetings Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 23 August 2014 20.46:25 Marcus Moeller wrote:
Am 23.08.2014 um 13:40 schrieb Bruno Friedmann:
On Saturday 23 August 2014 10.23:42 marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/
Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz...
Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-)
So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64 was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
Mine is already in git.
I proposed a while back a wallpaper which plays well with the current theme. This would allow us to keep the rest of the design as is.
Changing all components might already be too late.
Greets Marcus
Which one are we talking about ?
Wallpapers/13.2/openSUSE_13_2.svg ( Damn blurry geeko in the middle of the screen, that make you believe you've to go to ophthalmologist)
Yes, this one. I really appreciate your loving comments.
Greetings Marcus
it's not only loving, its unfortunate that this wallpaper installed on a 10 people panel show it's perceptual limit. Okay perhaps my panel is already too old and they are far from their twenties ... But you miss the important point about the global agreement on the list, I still didn't found it, nor you give me back the link to the mail where the group around here agreed on that particular one ? Can I add the following fact, if there was an agreement, why nobody has since forked the -branding repo, prepare the wall paper and submit back so people with the right to merge could merge that request and start the packaging ? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Am 23.08.2014 um 21:06 schrieb Bruno Friedmann:
On Saturday 23 August 2014 20.46:25 Marcus Moeller wrote:
Am 23.08.2014 um 13:40 schrieb Bruno Friedmann:
On Saturday 23 August 2014 10.23:42 marcus.moeller@gmx.ch wrote:
Hi,
I just want to get to know the current status for 13.2:
1. Kim has done the YaST installer theme. (I forgot to mention that, sorry Kim) Yeah on that subject, Richard seems to have all the pieces ready to be merged, (We can checkout what Kenneth have done in his repo on github) and backport them to our -branding.
2. Bruno said there's no default wallpaper chosen, but there's a supplementary wallpaper package made (Kostas just forgot to send us the OBS link) I've made a search on obs, seems the supplemental wallpaper are still located here https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:warlordfff
Now the content has certainly changed since 6 months, and the rpm has to be tested. I guess you've to refresh the tar.xz by the content of what is inside the github/artwork/ /Wallpapers/13.2/Supplemental_Wallpapers/
Marguerite, I've seen you seems to have to knowledge to check it and improve it since you've already done that kind of things https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:MargueriteSu/wallpaper-cute-liz...
Once the preparation steps are done, you can submit it from your home to devel:openSUSE:Factory project. Would that make sense and is doable for you ? We certainly can help and assist you with the packaging, and also all git related stuff (Yes victorck, anditosan I'm looking at you :-)
I don't want to comment but...the communication and governance for our artworks team is just a mess...so let's summaize things we did, don't know if getting done, didn't start to do: In middle of chaos, those who do, get power. That answer sucks, and I agree on the symptom you've describe. But again one year after the 13.1 release, its again rush time. Hopefully, we still didn't miss the GA deadline.
1. YaST theme? (installer: done; main UI?) 2. KDE theme? KDE whole branding is split following this rules 99% is in kdebase4-openSUSE (source), splitted into kdebase4-runtime-branding-openSUSE (the theme materials) and kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE (config) and 1% is in branding-openSUSE (kdelibs4-branding-openSUSE, the about:/ branding)
I've discussed today with shumski on irc the last idea for the kde-branding (initiated by Marcus) was to invert dark and light color for the base branding and also propose a light variant that would look like this ( quick hack ) http://i.imgur.com/kRl7Etg.png minus the wallpaper :-)
So we need brave here to hack the theme, and take time to hack on it.
3. icon theme? That one will die, certainly by lack of time, The proposal made some months ago is not finished or is it ? Is there a repository to checkout the work, is there a spec draft ? 4. grub2 theme? Don't know if a big changes is needed here.
5. plymouth theme? and not only the theme, the animation is important ... simple slick, should be also discussed with plymouth maintainers. Now there's something we can do also to minimize the impact on plymouth and grub and initrd With luks encrypted partition we show a message to unlock the screen.
If we replace the string ( which is always in english ) by a small lockdown icon we don't have to embeded pango fonts etc ... But I guess for this changes, we should have do that before ...
6. GDM/KDM theme?
7. wallpaper? https://sysrich.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=8e9e9269a94c30ae35a0da92d0946d64 was presented to me to the near almost done finished proposal
Mine is already in git.
I proposed a while back a wallpaper which plays well with the current theme. This would allow us to keep the rest of the design as is.
Changing all components might already be too late.
Greets Marcus
Which one are we talking about ?
Wallpapers/13.2/openSUSE_13_2.svg ( Damn blurry geeko in the middle of the screen, that make you believe you've to go to ophthalmologist)
Yes, this one. I really appreciate your loving comments.
Greetings Marcus
it's not only loving, its unfortunate that this wallpaper installed on a 10 people panel show it's perceptual limit. Okay perhaps my panel is already too old and they are far from their twenties ...
The wallpaper is meant to be used with scale & crop. Only one wallpaper for all resolutions.
But you miss the important point about the global agreement on the list, I still didn't found it, nor you give me back the link to the mail where the group around here agreed on that particular one ?
Can I add the following fact, if there was an agreement, why nobody has since forked the -branding repo, prepare the wall paper and submit back so people with the right to merge could merge that request and start the packaging ?
I also cannot find an agreement (and think it's impossible in this group of ppl). The only way is to set up a vote system, but this will lead to ppl voting for bitmap only images. Anyway, I have discussed this often enough, offered solutions, and also contributed a lot to the old branding guidelines. I wish Marguerite all the best to continue this process. Maybe she has more luck on that. Greetings Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, team, I didn't mean to trigger another war, or shame someone... I just want to help getting the work done without making previous maintainer(s) feel uncomfortable, so I want to learn the rules & principles of artwork team. Since 12.2 release, I've been continously making wallpapers for openSUSE, and none of them has chance to go official. So did many of us. One reason is that I'm still talented enough, but I think there might be some other reasons: 1. We're always rushing (Or change a way of saying: We merely do anything before deadline's knocking our door) 2. We don't have a decision making guideline. Eg: someone posted a wallpaper here, we discuss endlessly(there're likes and dislikes, just like every other thing), but no way to decide, "well, this will be the default" or "okay, this one is a good candidate so let's absorb it into git". Bruno said "general acceptance", but who to count the results? 3. The artist don't know how to make a step closer. He thinks that after leaving his artwork here, everything is done. He don't know he has to create a git pull request himself. (That is, we need to develop a guideline on wiki) So in the end, release came and we hereby found a hidden group has made the branding things (the "who do get more power" theory), while still no outsiders can know how things were decided. Then start over for another release, again. So my idea is: we just work, let other people judge (A vote). I see plenty of resources & materials on flickr. we just need to decide. I have the packaging skills to make things happen. But it's a chicken & egg question, we need to decide what to package at first. So if anyone still think my voting proposal is absolutely non-sense, please speak. Or I'll be rushing on that. Then after the release we come back and discuss the drafts for such decision making/artwork sumitting process. Is that fine? Marguerite
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El 24/08/14 09:34, marguerite escribió:
Hi, team,
I didn't mean to trigger another war, or shame someone...
I just want to help getting the work done without making previous maintainer(s) feel uncomfortable, so I want to learn the rules & principles of artwork team.
Since 12.2 release, I've been continously making wallpapers for openSUSE, and none of them has chance to go official. So did many of us. One reason is that I'm still talented enough, but I think there might be some other reasons:
1. We're always rushing (Or change a way of saying: We merely do anything before deadline's knocking our door) 2. We don't have a decision making guideline. Eg: someone posted a wallpaper here, we discuss endlessly(there're likes and dislikes, just like every other thing), but no way to decide, "well, this will be the default" or "okay, this one is a good candidate so let's absorb it into git". Bruno said "general acceptance", but who to count the results? 3. The artist don't know how to make a step closer. He thinks that after leaving his artwork here, everything is done. He don't know he has to create a git pull request himself. (That is, we need to develop a guideline on wiki)
So in the end, release came and we hereby found a hidden group has made the branding things (the "who do get more power" theory), while still no outsiders can know how things were decided. Then start over for another release, again.
So my idea is: we just work, let other people judge (A vote). I see plenty of resources & materials on flickr. we just need to decide.
I have the packaging skills to make things happen. But it's a chicken & egg question, we need to decide what to package at first.
So if anyone still think my voting proposal is absolutely non-sense, please speak. Or I'll be rushing on that. Then after the release we come back and discuss the drafts for such decision making/artwork sumitting process. Is that fine?
Marguerite
Hi listmates! Margarite great idea, try to "keep clean" all this mess! ;) Days ago I was speaking in IRC spanish channel with another Geeko, abou this. He asked me how, and who says "well, this will be the official theme, icons, wallpaper, etc..." nobody seems to do that. We make proposals, we put in GitHub, (or not... some came via G+ for example) but nobody decide clearly about all that stuff. In this release we had many months to work in the artwork , but as always the release days come and as always is too late! :( Why since the beginig we don't create "milestones" ? I mean, "that month will be the last to send rpoposals" "that month we will make a public poll" "that month to work on that..." agree with this proposal! and maybe we need a "master chef" to cook all this ingredients in next releases!! ;) 've phun !! ;) - -- GPG Key: 0xF782C8C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT+bw3AAoJEGgEvAX3gsjCmjgH/j67bd5ZzBwJR3c0NQ/MilDr svsiM5lL0EbCY/Q/+7h6+fOPd3iezmOHKvWQV9VazY30NmqI462rDra5HPiFiIc6 MOHAKOUpQQQDVjoP3TbBt3gj2NTyEINFEhMQzShtJl6vkxzgrRGh8ePl66AZ7vpN RkyY16X5UUIzvxNy5amiwNAi91nby6dNeyWR7n4CZYe8TA3ghscFzMOG50ZyKc5s mUw75gqSF2QHWZT6RcqlFkmcR0LZsKmCe8M8B2xDkdrZg9U2UolL5lNJdom4i4bR T8hY7WD1cx0FyBBm69zRbd+3WIm9iOnXhsJYumUbZbAn8rVHjp/kE+YeWdzT34o= =f5iT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On 24/08/14 12:19, victorhck wrote:
El 24/08/14 09:34, marguerite escribió:
Hi, team, I didn't mean to trigger another war, or shame someone... I just want to help getting the work done
Hi listmates! Margarite great idea, try to "keep clean" all this mess! ;)
Days ago I was speaking in IRC spanish channel with another Geeko, abou this. He asked me how, and who says "well, this will be the official theme, icons, wallpaper, etc..." nobody seems to do that. We make proposals, we put in GitHub, (or not... some came via G+ for example) but nobody decide clearly about all that stuff.
()
agree with this proposal! and maybe we need a "master chef" to cook all this ingredients in next releases!! ;)
Just a small question to all (artwork-team & others) : I search openSuse wallpaper in google, & I found this https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.2 Comment : if I change 12.2 ... to 13.2 => I get nothing (Can't find what you are looking for?) on the page 12.2 ... it would be easy for anybody to say : oh ok, between these 10 examples I vote for N° xxx (the https://en.opensuse.org/File:Opensuse_fondo12.2.png ... ;-)) ) Question :Marguerite, could you be the master chef" meaning : here are 10 wallpapers ( done in a asked svg format and design suggestion : see OSC13 conference made by Kenneth ...) then you ask ppl here on the liste and why not openSuse project liste, to vote ... and after 5 days, you say : OK chosen by those who voted. PS : I found many other pages on google, but for ex on https://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork I dont see many wallpaper who could fit for 13.2 ... or is there another group/place ? It would be really nice to have a great wallpaper ... you know ... so that ppl just stop running & walking and say : oh waouh ... this so really cool ... what is openSUSE ? ;-) I am not an artist, so please show us your best realisation ;-) Thanks Françoise PS : about the pink flowers, I'm not very enthousiast. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Apologies for the top post but I'm very short on time this weekend
I have a very strong objection to deciding the default wallpaper of
the distribution by voting
We have tried that repeatedly, and each time that has happened, the
design chosen by popular vote was absolutely unusable as a default
wallpaper/base for distribution branding, which just resulted in an
amplified mess - there's one thing worse than an ad-hoc decision
making process, and that's a rushed ad-hoc decision making process
because the primary one failed, raised peoples expectations, and
dashed them because of technical realities.
When it comes to 13.2, this is how I see things - note, this is my
personal OPINION, I know I'm probably missing stuff and that my
opinion it's not universally shared, but I'm sharing it now succinctly
for clarity.
1. We have a new YaST branding from Kenneth which everyone seems to accept
2. We have 2 leading designs for a default wallpaper - one from
Marcus, one from Zvesdana
3. The one from Marcus compliments the current KDE theme
4. The one from Zvesdana compliments Kenneths YaST theme
5. There's lots of other nice designs from other people that I feel
are more suitable for a supplementary wallpapers package.
Now, as a maintainer of the branding package, at this point I see it
as my responsibility to tidy up this mess, make decisions, and get
stuff implemented.
I, personally, intend to choose Zvesdanas design. The factors which
led me to this decision are as follows:
A - It compliments the new YaST design with is a major change for the
distro which everyone, not just KDE users, will see
B - Zvesdana's design hits the suggested criteria that I proposed for
the 13.2 branding, no Geeko, clear, clean, fresh
C - I feel that, while I like Marcus' design, it borrows too much from
the previous designs, when I really wanted to do something very fresh.
D - Marcus design has a very striking Gradient and soft focus, while
beautiful, also poses HUGE problems for me to implement complimentary
works in Grub, Plymouth, where such things are much harder to get to
look right. Marcus overstated my abilities when he threw the design up
and said that "Richard could handle the gradient" - it's just too fine
and too much work for me to do.
E - Zvesdana's design has provided me some inspirational ideas for how
to brand things like Grub/Plymouth/etc, where as I've drawn a blank on
how to effectively brand those parts of the distro in a way that
compliments Marcus' design.
F - Zvesdana is a new contributor to the Project who's never had a
wallpaper in the distribution before, where as Marcus is a rugged
veteran who hopefully will understand where I'm coming from with this
and understand there is nothing personal in my opinion.
So that's what I think, but for the record, this isn't a dictatorial decision.
If people want to put together an alternative branding package, or
really think they can make another design work, great, and I will
honestly, openly, and fairly consider any SR's to the
branding-openSUSE package - especially if they get submitted before I
have time to do the work myself
But this is my statement of where I intend to put my efforts over the
next week to get 13.2 branded.
I'm sorry this isn't going to be to everyone's pleasure, but I have to
put my time into working with the option I feel is best/easiest/etc
On 24 August 2014 09:34, marguerite
Hi, team,
I didn't mean to trigger another war, or shame someone...
I just want to help getting the work done without making previous maintainer(s) feel uncomfortable, so I want to learn the rules & principles of artwork team.
Since 12.2 release, I've been continously making wallpapers for openSUSE, and none of them has chance to go official. So did many of us. One reason is that I'm still talented enough, but I think there might be some other reasons:
1. We're always rushing (Or change a way of saying: We merely do anything before deadline's knocking our door) 2. We don't have a decision making guideline. Eg: someone posted a wallpaper here, we discuss endlessly(there're likes and dislikes, just like every other thing), but no way to decide, "well, this will be the default" or "okay, this one is a good candidate so let's absorb it into git". Bruno said "general acceptance", but who to count the results? 3. The artist don't know how to make a step closer. He thinks that after leaving his artwork here, everything is done. He don't know he has to create a git pull request himself. (That is, we need to develop a guideline on wiki)
So in the end, release came and we hereby found a hidden group has made the branding things (the "who do get more power" theory), while still no outsiders can know how things were decided. Then start over for another release, again.
So my idea is: we just work, let other people judge (A vote). I see plenty of resources & materials on flickr. we just need to decide.
I have the packaging skills to make things happen. But it's a chicken & egg question, we need to decide what to package at first.
So if anyone still think my voting proposal is absolutely non-sense, please speak. Or I'll be rushing on that. Then after the release we come back and discuss the drafts for such decision making/artwork sumitting process. Is that fine?
Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 24 August 2014 13.39:19 Richard Brown wrote:
Apologies for the top post but I'm very short on time this weekend
I have a very strong objection to deciding the default wallpaper of the distribution by voting
We have tried that repeatedly, and each time that has happened, the design chosen by popular vote was absolutely unusable as a default wallpaper/base for distribution branding, which just resulted in an amplified mess - there's one thing worse than an ad-hoc decision making process, and that's a rushed ad-hoc decision making process because the primary one failed, raised peoples expectations, and dashed them because of technical realities.
When it comes to 13.2, this is how I see things - note, this is my personal OPINION, I know I'm probably missing stuff and that my opinion it's not universally shared, but I'm sharing it now succinctly for clarity.
1. We have a new YaST branding from Kenneth which everyone seems to accept 2. We have 2 leading designs for a default wallpaper - one from Marcus, one from Zvesdana 3. The one from Marcus compliments the current KDE theme 4. The one from Zvesdana compliments Kenneths YaST theme 5. There's lots of other nice designs from other people that I feel are more suitable for a supplementary wallpapers package.
Now, as a maintainer of the branding package, at this point I see it as my responsibility to tidy up this mess, make decisions, and get stuff implemented.
I, personally, intend to choose Zvesdanas design. The factors which led me to this decision are as follows:
A - It compliments the new YaST design with is a major change for the distro which everyone, not just KDE users, will see B - Zvesdana's design hits the suggested criteria that I proposed for the 13.2 branding, no Geeko, clear, clean, fresh C - I feel that, while I like Marcus' design, it borrows too much from the previous designs, when I really wanted to do something very fresh. D - Marcus design has a very striking Gradient and soft focus, while beautiful, also poses HUGE problems for me to implement complimentary works in Grub, Plymouth, where such things are much harder to get to look right. Marcus overstated my abilities when he threw the design up and said that "Richard could handle the gradient" - it's just too fine and too much work for me to do. E - Zvesdana's design has provided me some inspirational ideas for how to brand things like Grub/Plymouth/etc, where as I've drawn a blank on how to effectively brand those parts of the distro in a way that compliments Marcus' design. F - Zvesdana is a new contributor to the Project who's never had a wallpaper in the distribution before, where as Marcus is a rugged veteran who hopefully will understand where I'm coming from with this and understand there is nothing personal in my opinion.
So that's what I think, but for the record, this isn't a dictatorial decision.
If people want to put together an alternative branding package, or really think they can make another design work, great, and I will honestly, openly, and fairly consider any SR's to the branding-openSUSE package - especially if they get submitted before I have time to do the work myself
But this is my statement of where I intend to put my efforts over the next week to get 13.2 branded.
I'm sorry this isn't going to be to everyone's pleasure, but I have to put my time into working with the option I feel is best/easiest/etc
+1 for your fellow co-maintainer :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 24 August 2014 13.54:24 Bruno Friedmann wrote:
+1 for your fellow co-maintainer :-)
read from in place of for :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Richard, Am Sun Aug 24 2014 13:54:24 GMT+0200 (CEST) schrieb Bruno Friedmann:
On Sunday 24 August 2014 13.39:19 Richard Brown wrote:
Apologies for the top post but I'm very short on time this weekend
I have a very strong objection to deciding the default wallpaper of the distribution by voting
We have tried that repeatedly, and each time that has happened, the design chosen by popular vote was absolutely unusable as a default wallpaper/base for distribution branding, which just resulted in an amplified mess - there's one thing worse than an ad-hoc decision making process, and that's a rushed ad-hoc decision making process because the primary one failed, raised peoples expectations, and dashed them because of technical realities.
When it comes to 13.2, this is how I see things - note, this is my personal OPINION, I know I'm probably missing stuff and that my opinion it's not universally shared, but I'm sharing it now succinctly for clarity.
1. We have a new YaST branding from Kenneth which everyone seems to accept 2. We have 2 leading designs for a default wallpaper - one from Marcus, one from Zvesdana 3. The one from Marcus compliments the current KDE theme 4. The one from Zvesdana compliments Kenneths YaST theme 5. There's lots of other nice designs from other people that I feel are more suitable for a supplementary wallpapers package.
Now, as a maintainer of the branding package, at this point I see it as my responsibility to tidy up this mess, make decisions, and get stuff implemented.
I, personally, intend to choose Zvesdanas design. The factors which led me to this decision are as follows:
A - It compliments the new YaST design with is a major change for the distro which everyone, not just KDE users, will see B - Zvesdana's design hits the suggested criteria that I proposed for the 13.2 branding, no Geeko, clear, clean, fresh C - I feel that, while I like Marcus' design, it borrows too much from the previous designs, when I really wanted to do something very fresh. D - Marcus design has a very striking Gradient and soft focus, while beautiful, also poses HUGE problems for me to implement complimentary works in Grub, Plymouth, where such things are much harder to get to look right. Marcus overstated my abilities when he threw the design up and said that "Richard could handle the gradient" - it's just too fine and too much work for me to do. E - Zvesdana's design has provided me some inspirational ideas for how to brand things like Grub/Plymouth/etc, where as I've drawn a blank on how to effectively brand those parts of the distro in a way that compliments Marcus' design. F - Zvesdana is a new contributor to the Project who's never had a wallpaper in the distribution before, where as Marcus is a rugged veteran who hopefully will understand where I'm coming from with this and understand there is nothing personal in my opinion.
To me, it's fully ok, though I think there is still a lot of work to do, in order to make her concept shining through the whole distro. If you are able to hack together the missing parts, I'am fine with that. My proposal was meant to be as last resort, as it has been prepared in order to keep all other comps as is. Greetings Marcus
So that's what I think, but for the record, this isn't a dictatorial decision.
If people want to put together an alternative branding package, or really think they can make another design work, great, and I will honestly, openly, and fairly consider any SR's to the branding-openSUSE package - especially if they get submitted before I have time to do the work myself
But this is my statement of where I intend to put my efforts over the next week to get 13.2 branded.
I'm sorry this isn't going to be to everyone's pleasure, but I have to put my time into working with the option I feel is best/easiest/etc
+1 for your fellow co-maintainer :-)
--
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El 14/08/14 11:56, marguerite escribió:
Hi, listmates,
I'm wondering if:
1. we have decided the default wallpaper for 13.2 ; 2. we have created a supplementary wallpapers package. If not, I can help, but I think we may need at first a wallpaper contest or something to avoid selection based on the packager's likes. There's an existing voting system depolyed on vote.suse.org.cn for the logo contest for openSUSE Asia Summit, so we can use it as infrastructure. I'm its system admin so that's not a problem from my side. We have been "promising" that for a long time since 12.2...
3. What's the codename of 13.2 will be? can any early tester give me some hints so that I can make a wallpaper from it?
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Hey Marguerite, what happened about that?? No contest for wallpaper?? -- (GPG Key: 0xF782C8C2) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
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