On 29 October 2017 at 17:52, jdd@dodin.org
Le 29/10/2017 à 16:31, Richard Brown a écrit :
on 6 billion human on earth, I met only a very little number. to really meet people one need to be very active and I'm sure you have much better things to do, if by meet you mean speak to face to face.
Given you're one of the few opensuse@ subscribers I've met, I'm pretty sure it would be very rude of me to suggest that I had better things to do ;)
- 14.8 _thousand_ members of the openSUSE group on facebook - 29.5 _thousand_ followers of the openSUSE group on Google+
yes and? do you really *discuss* openSUSE on Facebook or Google+? this only mean many people once got a look.
Yes, the openSUSE Group has regular discussions. Today someone is discussing issues they've had with upgrades, yesterday someone was discussing Tumbleweed on an iMac (10 comments in the thread - 58 reactions (eg. +1, Happy Faces, etc)), openSUSE from the Windows Store, (10 comments in the thread, 25 reactions), fstab questions, UEFI questions from a new member (I do like how Facebook highlights new joiners of the group) It's a very active list
- 38 _thousand_ members of the openSUSE forums
how many active at the same time? The forum itself say "Active Members 1,728", so the hole forum is no more active than this very list!!
1728 'active' means 1728 people posted in the last month If we were to judge opensuse@opensuse.org by the same measurement, there are under 300 active members of this list. The forums are over 4x more active than this list. Of all the openSUSE forums, social media outlets, etc I monitor, opensuse@ is the only one repeatedly shrinking in size. Even our more specialised, technical lists are growing at a rate comparable to every other part of the project. And yet opensuse@ consistently fails to reflect the growth in the Project as a whole.
I agree the tone of this very list is pretty often harsh, but you do nothing to make it smoother, on the contrary. If we should consider yours arguments, all of us here should resign and go to an other distribution.
All? No, I most certainly do not want that I would be pleased though if some people left, yes. Specifically those who complain and in the same breadth admit unwillingness to do anything to help openSUSE resolve that which they complain about. I don't think it's unfair to wish for that. In a volunteer organisation, having complainers hang around and not doing anything positive to remedy the problems they perceive are just a drain on the motivation of all the other volunteers.
We once had a project coordinator (joos) that worked very well to make the openSUSE lists friendly. I know your is elsewhere, but I don't see the openSUSE community live really :-(
Because you don't tweet, you dont look at facebook, you don't know about Reddit, you don't go to open source conferences, you dont contribute on github, you don't contribute on OBS. You cannot expect the openSUSE Project to come to you - this thread has clearly established that many of the people who feel as you do are fairly described as 'greybeards'. Old, behind the times, reluctant to the very same modern ways our hundreds of contributors are enthusiasticly working on. If you were working on something on your spare time, and knew there was a mailinglist full of grumpy old people who dislikes the majority of what you were working on, would you be subscribed to this list? would you want to talk to them? would you encourage others to talk to them? This list has an image problem. It's the responsibility of the regular residents of this list to correct that image problem. I cannot correct it, because I downright agree with the negative perception so many people have on this list. And you can see how I am regularly treated on this list to see how I might have come to that conclusion ;) If people are not prepared to address that image problem directly, I will continue to try and focus the attention of this list on its official intended function as a support mailinglist, in the hope that it such a focus might, in time, bring some life and growth back into this list.
We need a central point to discuss the project and it's derivatives, before going to specialized places for the action.
For the Project, there is opensuse-project@ For technical topics, there is opensuse-factory@ Those the non-specialized places. Not this channel - talking about things in this channel is a almost always a waste of time whenever the outcome is dependant on one of our volunteer contributors to do anything about it. The quicker people realise that are start engaging with the rest of our vibrant community, the better. Please, stop being so stuck in your old ways. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org