Dne neděle 29. října 2017 15:30:23 CET, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
On Saturday, 2017-10-28 at 19:57 +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 28 October 2017 at 18:15, Anton Aylward
wrote: On 28/10/17 11:49 AM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
Perhaps the best way to remove the negativity on this list is to have it moderated like the forums are.
Indeed. I'm sure 'moderation' is a good thing, but I am sceptical about 'moderators'. After all, they are human with human foibles.
What one might view as 'negative criticism' another might view as someone finding a valid problem that is taking to long to address, or, like the recent clarification about bugs being classified as needing fixes from the upstream maintainers rather than the openSUSE teams.
It is too common the see 'criticisms' as being 'negative'.
Generally speaking (there are bounds of reason/tone/decency/respect), I often do not have a problem with either critical nor negative speech, when the outcome of that speech is something positive for openSUSE.
We're volunteers, we're passionate about what we do here, we can't be expected to always approach the project with happy happy joy joy feelings. But the focus should be on respecting all involved & accomplishing a positive goal on the end.
But that generally means I feel any negative talk or critique on _this_ list is pointless.
Because there are so few contributors listening here, there will be no actions resulting from such discussions.
I see that as the fault of those contributors, not as the fault of the participants on the list. It looks to me as if they prefer an ivory tower, IMO, and hear nothing about reality.
I must strongly disagree here. They do listen, but for whatever reason, they sit somewhere else (opensuse-web@... in this case, I assume). If You wish to talk to them, You must go to look for them. Do they have any duty to listen here? I don't suppose so. Why should they? You seems to live in bit strange world, turning around according to Your wishes... -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/