On 28/10/17 09:32 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
"What are you going to do about the mess in opensuse@" is a very common question raised at face to face meetings, such as openSUSE Conferences, for several years. And it is a common opinion expressed repeatedly by newcomers to the Project who have often approached me (first as a Board member years ago, and still since becoming Chairman), feeling that this list is a toxic stain upon the Project compared to the other communication channels which the projec
Yes there are discussion that should be elsewhere; as you said to begin with, this thread is one such. I hate to be classified as part of the scum who only criticise and never help; Most of my 'needs' on this list are more about configuration that actual 'bugs'; about understanding and needing pointers and references. Members have been great in this regard, this is a wonderful source of help! If you want to criticise me about contributions it would be that I don't write up contributions for the fringe problems, the archaic equipment I favour[1]. I've mentioned the corporate "Closet of Anxieties" of as a source discarded equipment a number of times. I love how the past evolves into the present and the future. But I do wish you'd be more specific. There are a wide variety of contributors here, from me and archaism to others with corporate production arrays of machines and extensive RAIDs. Most of us have 'enjoyed' many roles, from Big Iron down to Raspberries. Many of us still do. What we have to contribute most of all is "Many Views". Sometimes the questions are as interesting and illuminating as the answers. The "Mess" that some people, especially newcomers, see is really the diversity and it is that diversity that is the real value of this list. That is why they see more value in the more specific channels that answer their IMMEDIATE needs, and that they aren't ready or even willing to partake of a community. Heck, on other technical lists I've seen people join, ask a question, get an answer and then leave. No interest in community; no interest in other Q&As. I realise that you are summarizing; but such a summary verges on insulting simply because this is a general forum. Yes the other channels are all very specific and bounded. As such they are only going to be populated by people concerned with those specifics or the patience to mindset for synchronous communication. But there is a great difference between "swamp" and "unstructured". [1] I've just spent $50 on a early digital camera, whereas the magazines are reviewing pushing things with processors 20 times the power, 100 times the sensitivity and 1,000 times the cost. This "old piece of junk" fit only for a thrift store can still produce images at a greater resolution than any display equipment I have, that my friends and colleagues have, even those with high end cameras. Go figure. https://www.dpreview.com/articles/4902764480/the-camera-i-almost-bought-agai... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org