On 26/10/17 15:55, stakanov wrote:
In data giovedì 26 ottobre 2017 15:22:41 CEST, michael norman ha scritto:
On 26/10/17 12:42, stakanov wrote:
In data giovedì 26 ottobre 2017 06:36:41 CEST, michael norman ha scritto:
On 26/10/17 04:29, stakanov wrote:
In data giovedì 26 ottobre 2017 05:22:08 CEST, Billie Walsh ha scritto:
On 10/25/2017 03:44 PM, Roger Price wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> * Billie Walsh
[10-25-17 10:09]: >>> If I were someone looking to get into using linux for the first time >>> and >>> came to that page I would just keep moving. There's nothing there to >>> tell me >>> that this is something I can use. It's something only nerdy types >>> can use. >>> Not a common computer user. >>> >>> And, people wonder why common users don't use Linux. >>> >>> As the user base gets older the numbers are going to go into the >>> toilet >>> unless you can interest younger users into the fold. That page won't >>> get it >>> done. >> >> and inferring to visitors that openSUSE is "pointed" at developers >> and >> sysadmin does not gain the more average user but only more highly >> "skilled" users. > > The openSUSE board have taken the decision that the primary openSUSE > audience is IT professionals, developers and sysadmins. I do not have > insider access to how the board thinks, but this looks like a business > decision which takes into account the relationship between SUSE and > openSUSE, and the relationships between Tumbleweed, Leap and SLE. > >> the fact that openSUSE is a great platform for developers and >> sysadmin is a plus but it must also be a "great" platform for the >> "unwashed masses" and provide them a great experience. >> >> being great for developers and sysadmin should be a prominent >> "footnote", not a description of the distribution. > > My impression is that you will need to present very strong arguments > to convince the board to change tack. What is the business case for > providing a great platform for the unwashed? How many SLE licenses > does that generate? > > The board's decision appears to assume that Linux newcomers are better > served by a derivative distribution such as Gecko, a specialist > distribution such as SteamOS or an ultra-popular distribution such as > Mint, but this will have to be confirmed by the board itself. > > Roger I did a little browsing around looking at some of the different Linus distros web site. Every one stress's that it is for IT types, even Mint. Nothing about the average user.
Maybe that was just a try to "promote" "Geko"-distribution? A one-man-show opensuse spinnoff, in a try to produce a "unwashed" only distribution as far as I understand. BTW, Mint stops KDE support (a bit OT but that reduces the amount of alternatives with KDE that are unwashed).
Mint will only stop KDE support after the next release, so it will be available for a few years yet,
Oh, great. I will not send one user using KDE to a distro that has announced stopping support for it. Not an intelligent investment as far as I see it. YMMV
I wasn't suggesting that you send anybody anywhere or implying support for Linux Mint, I merely point out that support for KDE in Linux Mint has not ended yet. Inteded, and that was not to say you do, far from it. But when you say: Mint is an "unwashed" alternative, then I was saying simply that it is indeed...only for people that do not use KDE. If you are using Mint with KDE now, it is a good policy IMO, because it leaves you the time to search for an alternative distro, easy to use, with KDE.
This is silly but for the record I did not say Linux Mint was for anybody and certainly didn't nor would I ever use the term "unwashed" I did not say I was using it and did not advocate or deprecate its use. I simply pointed out that LM's KDE support has not ceased yet, the link I provided says when it will. Can we stop this ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org