On 05/27/2016 08:05 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Maybe you're just using black magic or maybe you're not behind a NAT router or maybe you are using STUN or keep-alive, but you don't know.
I am behind NAT, that I'm sure of :-) I an NOT using STUN, that I'm sure of ;-) I have not sacrificed any chickens, virgins or made incantations from ancient and obscure books bound in human skin. That, too, I'm sure of :-) What I do think, and Andrei seems to hint at this, is that there's more to this technology and its implementation than you (or I for that matter) seem to know about. If the technologists that are behind my service provider say "no need for STUN" and the ATA I use works, and believe me I do get incoming calls, then there's something else going on. If that something else is a keep-alive baked into this technology, then its clear its something you are unaware of and that I'm using though unaware of. This does not surprise me. There's a lot of technology I use of which the details I'm unaware. I think that some time around the era of Newton & Leibniz science & technology became too involved, too extensive for one man to keep in his head, so that I'm using technology I don't fully grok is just something I live with. I don't know how to do genetic engineering or grow petunias either. The former does not distress me; the latter sometimes does. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org