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Re: Here we go again. (was Re: [opensuse] 11.4 - is 'tracker' 'beagle' in disguise?)
On 05/08/2011 09:05 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2011 20:38:21 +0200
Togan Muftuoglu<toganm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As long as it is recommended not required by packages, if it is
default or not, doesn't bother me. yet to make it a required part of
packages and forcing the user either accepting and fighting to stop
it afterwards or not accepting and working with the broken dependency
is much worse the sounds.
These are my feelings, exactly. Default or not is much less
the issue than the unnecessary dependencies. However, since that aspect
of the problem has already been exquisitely described, I'd like to try
another track:

I think the proponents of these indexing utilities need to do a better
job of explaining the use cases and benefits. If there are time savings
and conveniences to be enjoyed, *sell* them to me. Don't sneak the
software in the back door while I'm not watching. Don't leave me
swearing and scratching my head and investing time diagnosing<what
is claimed to be> a non-problem.

In fact, if these indexers are truly as fantastic as is claimed, then no
expense to properly educate the community, including me, should be
spared. *Whet* my appetite. *Make* me thirsty. I want to *drool* with
anticipation over that very first hard disk grinding experience. Really.
I won't complain if the benefits are really that great.

As for my system, there simply is no way to escape that initial hard
disk grinding behavior, and my environment is not all that unusual. Each
new Linux displaces a prior installation. It 'wakes up' in a large,
mature, well organized and densely populated *already existing*
filesystem. It doesn't take just a few minutes to index, it takes many
many many minutes and it repeats at random; when you least expect it.
It works very hard and takes over the entire disk IO.

On Mon, 9 May 2011 01:59:23 +0200
Anders Johansson<ajh@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, it is a bug that tracker starts in KDE, because it is a gnome
thing. It may also be that tracker has other bugs, Carlos mentions
the excessively high CPU setting for example, but bugs are made for
fixing, not for throwing out the entire program from the default
install. I'm not saying the thing is perfect, but we can't restrict
the default install to just perfect programs. If we followed that
strategy, we would install exactly no programs by default
I can't argue with anything you've written here, Anders

My vision of openSUSE is as a desktop platform competing on equal
terms with Mac OS X and Windows. In some areas we are ahead, in some
we are lagging behind. We shouldn't throw out provably useful
features that are popular on other platforms, we should improve and
extend them.
I agree with these sentiments, too. But my real world experience is that
we are already light years ahead of Mac OS X and Windows. We can
accomplish work seamlessly, intuitively, work with our data and
programs fluidly, in ways that Windows and Mac OS X users can only
dream of. Why? Because our environments are open and their environments
are not.

I'd really like to 'get on board' with these indexer thingies. If they
worked well, didn't get in my way, and had clear benefits that I could
comprehend, I probably *would* get on board. But as their
implementation stands now, I see no benefits only drawbacks.
IMHO, installing them by default or silently pulling them in with other
packages or suddenly making other packages dependent upon them should
be avoided.


I've been following this thread for a while. I never had beagle, and I never
heard of tracker until the thread started, but I have Recoll that seems to do
the same thing, and it's no hassle at all. (Running kde on pclos.) A month or
so ago I installed a version on a machine that had been in use for 7~8 months
or so--it didn't take that long to load, altho I didn't time it. (You could
always load something like this just before leaving the office, or just before
going to bed, if time is a problem.) I've had to reinstall the system for other
reasons, and I put in Recoll from the start, and it took only seconds to
initialize itself. I really don't know that it's running, now. Either I don't
understand the situation, or Recoll is not the same as tracker, or something.
It finds things pretty doggone quick--including some things I'd just as soon
*not* store, which makes it harder to search--but I guess you can't have
everything. Maybe if the drive fills up. . . .


Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.
M. Greeley

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