On Sun, 08 May 2011 20:38:21 +0200
Togan Muftuoglu
As long as it is recommended not required by packages, if it is default or not, doesn't bother me. yet to make it a required part of packages and forcing the user either accepting and fighting to stop it afterwards or not accepting and working with the broken dependency is much worse the sounds.
These are my feelings, exactly. Default or not is much less
the issue than the unnecessary dependencies. However, since that aspect
of the problem has already been exquisitely described, I'd like to try
another track:
I think the proponents of these indexing utilities need to do a better
job of explaining the use cases and benefits. If there are time savings
and conveniences to be enjoyed, *sell* them to me. Don't sneak the
software in the back door while I'm not watching. Don't leave me
swearing and scratching my head and investing time diagnosing <what
is claimed to be> a non-problem.
In fact, if these indexers are truly as fantastic as is claimed, then no
expense to properly educate the community, including me, should be
spared. *Whet* my appetite. *Make* me thirsty. I want to *drool* with
anticipation over that very first hard disk grinding experience. Really.
I won't complain if the benefits are really that great.
As for my system, there simply is no way to escape that initial hard
disk grinding behavior, and my environment is not all that unusual. Each
new Linux displaces a prior installation. It 'wakes up' in a large,
mature, well organized and densely populated *already existing*
filesystem. It doesn't take just a few minutes to index, it takes many
many many minutes and it repeats at random; when you least expect it.
It works very hard and takes over the entire disk IO.
On Mon, 9 May 2011 01:59:23 +0200
Anders Johansson
Well, it is a bug that tracker starts in KDE, because it is a gnome thing. It may also be that tracker has other bugs, Carlos mentions the excessively high CPU setting for example, but bugs are made for fixing, not for throwing out the entire program from the default install. I'm not saying the thing is perfect, but we can't restrict the default install to just perfect programs. If we followed that strategy, we would install exactly no programs by default
I can't argue with anything you've written here, Anders
My vision of openSUSE is as a desktop platform competing on equal terms with Mac OS X and Windows. In some areas we are ahead, in some we are lagging behind. We shouldn't throw out provably useful features that are popular on other platforms, we should improve and extend them.
I agree with these sentiments, too. But my real world experience is that we are already light years ahead of Mac OS X and Windows. We can accomplish work seamlessly, intuitively, work with our data and programs fluidly, in ways that Windows and Mac OS X users can only dream of. Why? Because our environments are open and their environments are not. I'd really like to 'get on board' with these indexer thingies. If they worked well, didn't get in my way, and had clear benefits that I could comprehend, I probably *would* get on board. But as their implementation stands now, I see no benefits only drawbacks. IMHO, installing them by default or silently pulling them in with other packages or suddenly making other packages dependent upon them should be avoided. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org