So as some people here claim you can customize KDE4 to be not worser than KDE3 I just tried to install it (KDE 4.4.4). - First I tried to make the desktop icons smaller and after I moved the slider, the plasma crashed: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280134708_0c9620833f.png After the next attempt it worked. So I got the plasma crash in the very first minute. - I found that the enema icon in the right top corner cannot be disabled: when you choose to disable it, the desktop icons also disappear. - Then I tried to customize the panel. I accidentially deleted the taskbar and tried to return it to the place. But the taskbar returned only to the place right of the tray. Is seems there is no possibility to move the widget so I removed all the widgets and added them back in the proper order. In the process plasma again crashed, but this time automatically restarted. - It seems that the only rectangular styles in KDE4 (even with kdeartwork4 installed) are Phase and customized Qtcurve. But there in no corresponding plasma theme for both. The only style for which there is approximately similar plasma style is oxygen, so there is no choice. - I have tried to change the icon theme but it seems that the only theme compatible with KDE4 is Oxygen: after choosing any other theme the folders on the desktop still were displayed with icons from Oxygen theme. - Then I tried to choose a mouse cursor theme. After choosing a non-KDE theme Bluecurve, I found that resize cursors are confused: in the right-top corner of a window the arrow is top-left-bottom-right, in top left corner it is top-right-bottom-left. - Desktop icons sometimes go over other windows: it looks like in a delirium: http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0726/h_1280136020_cc4731eca5.png Also clicking on a desktop sometines leads to all icons on the desktop move some pixels up together. - The My Computer icon on the desktop did not work: clicking on it made no effect. There is also no trash and network icons. - The Documents folder on the desktop was displayed with Russian name "Документов", which is incorrect (it should be "Документы"). I've tried to rename but without success: no error, no warning, but it's still "Документов". - I did not find a way to disable the transparent rectangle with rounded corners around selected items on desktop. It seems in dissonance with the style I use and ugly. - I started Konqueror but found that it shows files only in the form of browsing free space view. There is no possibility to view them as icons. So I would assess KDE4 is currently in in less than beta quality. It crashes, unstable, has huge visual artefacts and bugs and feature incomplete. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org