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Re: [opensuse] Confused by hard drive naming/position /dev/sda vs hd0 etc,
  • From: Peter Nikolic <p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:40:36 +0000
  • Message-id: <201003141240.42882.p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Sunday 14 Mar 2010 00:49:02 Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:12:28 +0000, you wrote:
Since people started messing around trying to be clever with this stupid
SATA and forcing IDE drives to become SCSI devices there has been nothing
but continual trouble with drives getting brain dead allocations

You're barking up the completely wrong tree. If you want to complain
go to linux-ide or the general kernel development list as you won't
reach anybody that could change anything here on this list.

And people haven't messed around but rather tried to match hardware
and software as best as they could. SATA drives have a lot in common
with SCSI drives ( that's the reason why SSA (serial SCSI) controllers
can handle both SSA and SATA drives), so it was rather natural to
handle them as scsi devices. And for the dynamic nature of device
names you also have to blame hardware. Static device handling has no
place in modern dynamic hardware.

Maybe thats why Sata is such a PITA and those stupid pathetic connections who
the hell dreamt those weak excuses up needs locking away and frying

and this device by name thing is well bin fodder .

Only in your eyes. Others regard it as a welcome help to get stable
device names.

Now your taking the pith thats a FACT if they are stable why are there so many
complaints about names and allocations that change

get back to drive on the first interface hda second hdb ect get rid of
this stupid enforced scsi rubbish if sata devices need a seperate name
then sata satb satc satd makes far more sense

What do you call first interface? Motherboards normally have more then
one controller onboard, at least one in the chipset and additional
controllers for PATA and/or eSATA drives. Where do you start counting?
And how do you want to order the loading of drivers?

this device by name thing can we please get rid of this deranged junk ,

It's neither deranged nor junk.

It IS both deranged and junk

If devices are read in the order they are on the MB IDE1 is hda and hdb
IDE2 is hdc and hdd sata1 is sata sata2 is satb ect it would all
work very nicely.

Who defines which port is ide1 or sata1?

Look at the mother board they ARE Marked 0and 1 or 1 and 2 and if your Mobo
is not i suggest you send it back as it obviously missed a silk screen process

this is one of the things that is holding Linux back it is too difficult
to setup and once setup it makes no sense the way drives have been named

In the beginning people said that naming devices other then by drive
letter would be too difficult. It all depends on ones POV and the
willingness to adapt to new ways of doing things.

And Guess what they have been proved correct time and time again

I know there are certain people that are so far up their own backsides
that they cant see this but there is our problem pure and simple .

As I said in the beginning, go to opensuse-offtopic if you want to
rant or go to the upstreams linu devel mailing lists if you do want to
talk top those that could change things. Opensuse is the completely
wrong tree to bark up.


Not ranting just pointing a few things out but a small minority choose to
ignore a majority so cus i aint afraid of any of you i speak up

Pete .

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