On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Per Jessen
are you claiming that a) as an user who needs ssh on a desktop installation and performs <10 installs each year, you feel that you are representative / part of a majority of openSUSE users and therefore the default should be geared towards your type of user,
No. (I really don't see that I have said/written anything that could be remotely construed in that way.)
the "openSUSE is moving away from my user profile" bit made me believe that.
or that b) Joe User IS the majority but there are no solid arguments against having sshd enabled on his box, and therefore should be left on.
That is what I am arguing, yes. It has been so far, why change it when it brings no benefits?
Sorin, apologies for snipping the bit about minority users, but it was utterly irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant, as you are advocating keeping it in to be used by a minority of users - who have to remember to open the port anyway, so why not enable it right then? Anyway, it's standard security doctrine to not run things by default that are not needed in a majority of cases, firewalls can be and are disabled sometimes by people, for example to test stuff when they forget to switch it back on (I've been guilty of this one myself). It's likely that the type of user who needs sshd WAS "the majority" back in the day, and enabling it made sense - but I strongly suspect that is no longer the case (Marcus estimates 95% Joe Users, disagree?). Maybe there IS other stuff that is enabled by default (not just installed, but actually running) but shouldn't be in this day and age. I'd bet money that if MS had shipped Win7 with Remote Desktop running by default (even firewalled) there'd be an uproar. Sorin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org