Am Sonntag 07 Dezember 2008 09:12:13 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
On Saturday 06 December 2008 16:39:25 Herbert Graeber wrote:
Don't let blind you by the bling.
What I meant was, that many people are seeing the bling only and are not seeing the additional value behind that. And to have that bling is neccessary to get new users. If you don't have that, people would think KDE is an oldish conservative desktop and it will be doomed to die sooner or later. But for all others who don't like it it can be turned off.
Unfortunately, that is exactly what happens to me and probably some others on this list. Bling actually blinds me, in that I cannot see properly, and start to feel ill. As a result of this, I loathe all bling and transparency and things that move all over the place and pale grey on paler grey and .....
There is some bling in KDE 3.x.x, but I am given the opportunity to turn it off _before_ I have to look at the desktop. And I can avoid compiz by just not installing it.
If your hardware is not capable, KDE 4.1.3 should turn of all 3D affects automatically. One way to enforce this in the case the hardware would be capable may be turn of hardware 3D effects for the display driver. Another thing you can do is to edit the default user settings in /etc/skel before logging in the first time. I kown this is what kpersonalizer should be for. It is really unfortunate that it hasn't made it into openSUSE 11.1. Maybe we need a "KDE4 for KDE Users" wiki page to help in such things.
From what I have read of KDE 4 I would find it totally unusable, because I would not be able to see to adjust it and work out where things are.
No it's not that bad. You should explore KDE 4.1.3 a little bit and you will find some settings, that will help you to customize KDE4 to your needs. But be warned: You will find some unexpected useful things, too. ;-)
I would love to take your advice and not let the bling blind me. Unfortunately, I do not have that option.
I am sorry that you do not want to give KDE4 a chance. In openSUSE 11.1 it is much better than the poor KDE 4.04 in openSUSE 11.0 (which I used anyway, to help making it better). The bling turns off automatically or can be turnd of by you.
So once I can no longer use 3.x.x I shall have to find another desktop.
KDE4 is not more different from KDE3, than any other desktop.
This is a pity as KDE is streets ahead of anything else I have tried. Sadly, this seems to be about to change. :-(
The only way to help user who must use KDE3 would be to find developers who would continue maintaining it. That's difficult, because that will be a boring task. Despite, what others write, there is no fork neccessary to keep KDE3 alive. KDE3 is still in KDE subversion repository and currently it will still be maintained for some time, so long someone does work on it. I am sure, it's base packages wil stay in the openSUSE distribution, as long as there are apps that need it and the rest will be available from the BuildService. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org