Well I guess I will put my two questions into one email: 1. Has any ATI users out there have a problem with X hanging when their system starts up some screen savors, by hanging I mean slowly rendering the screen savor frame by frame and takes 10 minutes to get back to the desktop. The system says that I have the 8.53.4 version of the driver but I remember installing 8.9. This just started happening a couple of days ago, before that the screen savors worked perfectly, makes me wonder if there is a timed corruption subroutine in the drivers or something because this is the second time this happened to me. 2. As for the forms, when I tried to access them I get a Page Load Error in Firefox with the following error: Redirect Loop Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. The browser has stopped trying to retrieve the requested item. The site is redirecting the request in a way that will never complete. * Have you disabled or blocked cookies required by this site? * NOTE: If accepting the site's cookies does not resolve the problem, it is likely a server configuration issue and not your computer. Is anyone else getting this error? -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure." Karl Popper