Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 21 June 2008 08:01:40 am Ken Schneider wrote:
It was never my intention to open a can of worms when I started this thread. I just wanted to vent/rant a little about KDE 4. It should never have been presented on the main desktop selection screen as it gives the user a false sense of being mature enough for everyday use. Telling someone to install 4.1 afterward is pointless as new users won't know anything about it and will be left with a bad taste in their mouth.
Ken, everyone complaining is comparing KDE4 to KDE3. It is not fair to compare well developed stuff, after years of development, with new kid in town. I see only guys with hidden agenda, or naive to fall in their net, to complain. I guess you are the second category.
Judging by the comments by the suse people, it's quite plain that there's an agenda to dump KDE 3 while KDE 4 is still under-developed and little more than a clumsy child.
It is classic misuse of established rule, in this case, that same name software with bigger version number is development of that software with more functionality.
No..it's a classic misuse of established rule to label as anything other than ALPHA something which is an incomplete, supposed successor of a widely-used and understood suite of code. Especially when the first prior code was thrown out completely and re-written from scratch.
KDE guys follow their convention where base of the name is KDE with appended major version number and trolls are misusing this systematically. No one is
Or more accurately, Suse and KDE are misusing a well-understood convention by failing to label incomplete code as Alpha.
talking about features, versions, just general KDE4, like that is all the same. If they would be interested in advancement, they will be more detailed, but they are not. The KDE naming is misused to deter new users from KDE4 which will reduce number of people filling bug reports, asking for features, and that will slow down current rush development.
I don't think that is just some annoying guy crusade. Whoever will benefit from delaying KDE4 development is behind this.
NOBODY is trying to "delay KDE 4 development" What I and others are telling you is simple -- that it's not developed enough, and WE WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT of KDE 4 before you get to the point of forcing it on the userbase... which ONE of you has already indicated might be as soon as SuSE 11.1. And if that happens, you can pretty much rule out any business where I participate in decision-making receiving a recommendation to switch, or even continue using SUSE.
If it is company, I can understand, it is fight for the market, but if it is another open source group than it is plain stupid to shoot at your forerunner.
The previous two sentances by Rajko are hallucinations... oh, oh, people are complaining about a stupid decision we made, and we don't show any signs of changing our bull-headed ways -- let's label them as trolls and plants from another company. Excellent plan there, Rajko -- ignore the users, and the feedback they're giving you -- just continue doing what has been demonstrated for several months now to utterly piss off your userbase to the point that eventually, they'll all start leaving. Then, where will you be?
Apropos KDE4, it is usable.
So is a go-kart. That doesn't mean I'm going to drive it to work, or even take it on the public roads around town, let alone highways where I do most of my driving.
It has all basic functions of the desktop and many more are in place.
Blah blah blah. Dolphin is a pain, and using Konqueror for filemanagement is now a royal pain, too
You can't mark it as alpha, beta, as number of functions over what is expected for basic desktop does not determine software status. KDE4 has more functionality that many desktops hidden in software repositories, and they are not alpha or beta, unless developer is testing new features.
More handwaving to distract from the heart of the discussion -- Does KDE 4 do what we users want and have reasonable expectations that it should be able to do: a: yes B: NO Thats the ONLY standard, and right now, KDE 4 fails. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org