So, to get the story straight. The newest packages of KDE 4 are actually Beta 4 with the exception of the kde4libs which are tagged as RC(1) I was actually suprised to see how much more polished the Beta 4 version was compared to Beta 3 ( I will continue considering this a Beta product until I see RC quality in its entirety and not just the core libs ). Here are some quick shots: http://www.benkevan.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/kcontrol.jpeg http://www.benkevan.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/KDE4YaSTRepos.jpeg http://www.benkevan.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/konq.jpeg http://www.benkevan.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/menu.jpeg http://www.benkevan.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/remoteandrun.jpeg Some thoughts. It works fairly well and the few programs i've used seem to be a bit more stable. Kwrite looks good, and kdesu has a save password feature, wonder where it saves it? Damn.. it doesn't work for me. Have to open things in konsole still (yast etc that need root access). Remote KIO slave didn't work for me.. It froze up and I actually had to kill the processes since the "cancel" button wasn't working. The whole UI was frozen. The YaST Control Center icon is still ugly. They need to start paying attention to some detail with iconing (i know i know.. but in my eyes this should be done in Beta 2 / 3 stages to get right piximaps etc. The systray icons were just floating around and i couldn't move them. The location they "docked" at blocked my plasma menu. Getting used to no Desktop folder is going to be hard. Dolphin should be in opensuse 10.3 kde 3.5.8.. Hey.. i have a menu.. Ben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org