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If I were interested in windows I'd be using .NET which is MS branded Java. But the smart coders are going to START with a cross-platform, cross-desktop tool in the first place and won't be asking Novell (or any other Linux distro) which desktop to write their application for. </snip>
I use Java for pretty much all my needs it is cross platform and I can find a job in a company that pays money for java knowledge. My questions is why did GNOME had to choose C# and port .NET, not that I am against that or approve it...but what is the political reason. Aren't there other languages like Python for example that are completely open source and could have been used??? Or is it because all school will teach C#, I would say VB.NET more likely, that they went with that language??? I think making something work on Windows by writing it on MONO, so it does work in Linux too is just a strange idea. I mean if my thing is competing with the armed to the teeth guy next door using VS.NET in which he made a few VB.NET forms with d-and-d fubctiobality under .NET everyone in my office will choose that...most people don't care/understand solid technical foundations. They want the wow effect, which is colors and a few extra buttons and 5 min turn-around time... why...??? george
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:20, Chuck Davis wrote:
I have a difficult time imagining a developer so stupid s/he had to ask Novell for a suggestion regarding which desktop development tools to use. Indeed, I can't even conceive of the
really someone at Novell so out of touch with reality that s/he is giving such statements in interviews? No wonder
fanbois in charge there!
Yes but then theres the problem developers face when looking at all these supposedly business ready desktops using gnome. Writing a desktop application in C on a C based toolit for a GUI application is many a developers nightmare. In my opinion it's crazy to expect, or even imagine, the army of application developers out there to write C for desktop applications on Linux.
In fact after a quick bit of research, i could not fine a single University in the UK that teaches desktop application development in C. *Every* University here teaches desktop application developement in C++, Java or C# What does that tell you about the problem ;)
It's hardly any wonder the majority of application developers I speak to prefer Qt and writing for KDE. This is also why de Icaza wants GNOME to move to C#/mono so that it has a more suitable language
the MS haters can get past their blinkered hatred for a moment they would see this is not such a bad idea, at least for GNOME anyway. The problems they face with this are rather large though, an immature language infrastructure not the least bit withstanding.
The simple fact is, if you want to have momentum on the desktop then it's all about the application developers and the tools
On 5/3/06, Graham Anderson
wrote: possibility. Is there they've put the GNOME base for development. If they have available, *nothing* else matters. I hate to say this but even microsoft understood this :( That's why for now at least I don't see momentum for the GNOME desktop and why KDE will continure to forge ahead in the lead with application development.
While SLED may be a great product, I have no doubt it's usefullness is limited by the lack of application developers able ( and willing! ) to write using the confusing mess that is GTK/GDK/PANGO/Glib. I rather suspect Novell knows this and it why they have clearly stated it is aimed at the 'knowledge' office worker who just needs office apps / browser / email.
People considering deploying a linux desktop would do well to consider this...
Regards,
Graham
P.S. Just use KDE
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