-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bos wrote:
I'll follow. Let me start with saying that I want to see smart and yum succeed. I look forward to the day that there is one format package repo format for suse operational.
Op zaterdag 7 januari 2006 01:54, schreef Pascal Bleser:
So about the question what can smart do that yast2's package manager doesn't.
There is still much room for improvements, no question about that, but what Christoph meant and what I'd also like to ask: please test it and file bug reports. And if you'd like to contribute in other ways: coding on the project, translating locale messages, writing documentation.
What does not work: are urls with login and passwords, like: ftp://login:password@host.domain.tld/dir This works with yum
Ok, good point to check. If it doesn't work, it should be added (not very difficult though, it's a central component that handles all file retrieval in smart).
Why does smart not read the /etc/yum.repos.d directory? I now have to define the repositories twice :(
Because smart doesn't use yum. That's one of the nice things about smart: repository metadata support for apt-rpm, rpm-md/yum, yast2, urpmi, ... ... has been implemented in pure Python code, independently of whether you have yum, apt-rpm, yast2, urpmi, etc.. installed or not. Also, it has a very minimal set of dependencies (python >= 2.3, python-rpm). Note that the code to import yum.repos.d/* could be added. The question is whether one really wants that :) I use rpm-md repositories without having configured any repository in yum. How do you want to sync between the smart channels and yum yum.repos.d/* ? - - at installation of smart, once - - every time smart starts up, but only add channels for yum repos that are missing (as channels) don't remove anything - - same as above but with prompting the user for every channel - - explicitely, with a "reposync" (just an example ;)) command in smart ... ? What could be done very easily is a set of scripts that import - - yum (/etc/yum.repos.d/*) - - apt-rpm (/etc/apt/sources.list + /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*) - - yast2 (installation_sources -s) repositories into smart. I already hacked one (not much tested though) for apt-rpm: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/files/smart/apt-sources-to-smart.sh And there's another one written by oc2pus: http://www30.websamba.com/texpert/ Same could be done for yum and yast2. Quickly hacked a prototype for importing yast2 sources: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/files/smart/yast2-sources-to-smart.sh It even imports the "autorefresh" and "enabled" information. Run with -n for a dry run. Disclaimer: early alpha version, untested, use at your own risk ;)
Smart is not integrated with suse... I mean the "OK" button is at the right side while suse (kde) has it left... (nothing will be done about it, I know).
Hm. File a bug ? ;) Maybe a SUSE-specific patch into the smart.rpm, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to have a different UI on SUSE than on other distros ;)
There is a field labelled alias and another one name (when adding a channel). I think the name field should be labelled "description". If that would happen the alias field could be labelled "name"...
Yes, might be easier to understand.
So, what's so nice about Smart. * mirrors - mirrors are managed globally, for every single operation, because you just define URL mappings (e.g. "http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS" -> "http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS"), that's it, it will apply for every file retrieval because it's managed by a central component
Is there a central directory that shows which repositories are available?
No. Remember that smart is not SUSE-specific in any way and already used since some time by people on other distros.
Something like the /etc/yum.repos.d directory but than on a central server. (Perhaps start on wiki page)? packman has a mirrorlist file, I have a just created a repodata file, there is one for kolab, but where can these be registered? How do we know what is available, without searching the whole internet? Perhaps Eberhard can make a directory that hold links to all the repodata directories on his server?
Similar to the list of repositories on http://opensuse.org Note that smart has the nice ability to retrieve a list of repositories from a text file, e.g.: smart channel --add http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/files/smart/my-smart-channels.txt
But it has already proven to be very solid and consistent in terms of package management and dependency handling (especially 0.41 that sorts out a lot of bugs that happened on SUSE Linux < 10.1 because of an older RPM version).
command line tool yummie :) Heh, why is the /etc/yum.repos.d so empty when it is installed?? Why does it not come preconfigured with information for base, security, and all the other goodies (of course they could all be disabled).
Smart does, because in my smart.rpm I add those channels (as well as my repo and packman).
http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=/System/smart It was very easy to install with apt :) Do you have a yum repodata directory?
Yes, not much tested/used but should work: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/10.0/RPMS (as well as for 9.3, 9.2, etc...) ...
What about the rpmkey rpms? Will they be supported? I saw that each rpmkey file has to be configured in the /etc/yum.repos.d/* files? Why is it that way, why should they be configured in those repository files?
That's a yum thing, not smart ;) Smart has no rpmkey support AFAIK. Again, could be done as well.
Sofar my ramblings. it nice to see that smart works now (this was not the case when a I tested version 0.2 (or something like that) some years ago)
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